I’ve said before, if the Canadian military has any threat modeling of an American invasion force, the best move is to slow things down a bit, get critical military material out of bases, and have the military become the leadership of guerilla forces. We won’t win toe-to-toe, no matter how brutal the American losses are. But we look enough like Americans that we can blend in, we have a 5000 mile long border, and a very strong ‘not American’ national identity. We couldn’t stop them from taking our country, but it would cost them every day they stayed.
I used to think this. Until our 1 million drones a year deal with Ukraine. Who is beating Russia, a similarly supposed asymetric power. The US is actively losing to Iran. Times and war has changed and the US is gutting their own productivity to fuel corruption.
They also wouldn’t have the unified support of the US citizenry. It’s very likely they’d face some turmoil from within.
Also hitting infrastructure to make life more difficult for the oligarchs like Ukraine did with Wildberries and oil depots would be very effective.
While I would hope so, I doubt it. They can’t even fight for themselves. Too apathetic and manipulated. I don’t believe for a minute that Americans would stand up for us. Maybe they would say so but action? Nope.
From A CBC article about follow up on Carney’s comments on contingency plans
There is, however, an increasingly puzzled reaction among some Americans who have grown accustomed to Trump’s threats, taunts and trolling.
Matthew Schmidt, an associate professor at the University of New Haven in Connecticut and a former instructor at the U.S. Army War College, said many Americans, including himself, are unaware of how Trump’s words affect people in other nations.
“I don’t think I have a visceral sense of what Canadians are feeling about the United States,” Schmidt said. “We really don’t have a sense of the impact of what the president is saying has on other places.”
He dismissed the notion of the U.S. military taking action against Canada, but said Carney has taken the prudent, responsible course of a leader and measured the risk.
I fall on the same side as you, I hope so, but doubt it, and while this snippet isn’t surprising at all to me, it still disappoints me. Yanks would probably see military action as just a joke or something at this point, or because it’s outside their borders, they wouldn’t care.
I’m being (hopefully) exaggerative and frankly antagonistic towards the Americans, but I’m increasingly annoyed by some of them (any time someone comes around to appolgise about how they’re not one of the bad people and it’s not all Americans, it’s tone deaf, ignorant and seems self-serving) and despise their government. They need to be aware of how they’re seen from outside, we do too.
He dismissed the notion of the U.S. military taking action against Canada,
Three years ago, he would probably have dismissed the notion of the US fighting a half-assed war of aggression against Iran, too. Guys, unless you get the nutcase out of the driver’s seat and ensure no one comparable can rise to power in your country again, everyone else has to plan for the worst.
They can’t even fight for themselves. Too apathetic and manipulated.
I’m sorry you believe this but if you truly do then you’re falling prey to the same manipulation.
Why? What are they doing? Three fair weather protests on a Saturday afternoon with 1% of the population? That’s an outing not a protest.
Lawsuits, protests, grass roots political campaigns at the state and local level to weaken the far right base.
If you want a violent revolution feel free to strap up and head south. Or maybe Canada could put more focus on their own increasing far right groups, or the UKs, or France’s, or Italy’s, or Germany’s, or Australia’s, or Austria’s, or the Netherlands’, or Finland’s, or Sweden’s, or Hungary’s, or Czechia’s, or Croatia’s.
Or maybe realize this isn’t an American problem but a human one and we all need to come together to quash it once and for all.
Or keep being distracted by the global elite’s shell game and media control and focus all your energy in being angry at a population being kept center stage through manipulated news coverage. They’ll appreciate it so they can continue to shore up the coalitions they have across the globe to make them harder to root out.
One thing is for sure; being sarcastic and pissy on the internet isn’t going to help. Better to build bridges than walls.
I never suggested violence. But there is not even remotely enough push back from people. Still shopping, still buying entertainment (sports, concerts, streaming etc). No protests. Don’t tell me the American do everything they can and it would take violence. Sure, all other countries have problems too but the USA better be quiet because no other country has a mess like that. Canada didn’t vote for PP and it shows.
Yeah, the US is coasting on an impression of their might that used to exist but is now only a product of decades of Hollywood propaganda. Capitalism has enshittified their military the way it has everything else. A trillion dollar+ military budget that has never passed audit and pretty much isn’t expected to is actually just a corruption budget.
That said, I do agree with the video that Carney is using the threat of Trump to push for things that people might push back against without that threat hanging overhead.
Yes the whole supper power thing is in queation. I think America has coeuoted itself out of military might. Sure they spend a lot of money on military but I thibkntheir ROI has seceely decreased over the years.
Yep.
And we have a lot of smart people up here and even more stubbornness.
The folks who migrated to Canada from Europe instead of to the USA and remained were obviously tough enough not to be trifled with in ww1.
The US is mostly losing to Iran due to logistics helped along by badly underestimating their enemy. Logistics are much simpler should they attack Canada.
That said, I have a hard time assessing how much drones would help here. I don’t expect they would do as well against a better supplied military than Russia has, and a lot of our bases and population centers are very close to our border, but America has shown they are also unprepared to deal with drone warfare effectively. They have also shown strong signs that their more effective leaders are either out of power or being forced to follow bad directions from their civilian leaders. After all, they are in the process of dismantling their foreign bases while waging a war halfway around the world, which only complicates the logistical challenges they already have. I expect drones are also very effective in guerilla warfare, not just the brand of asymmetrical warfare Ukraine is fighting.
Around January 2022 I said something similar about Ukraine if Russia invaded.
Keep in mind that there will almost certainly be Americans that are willing to sabotage their own.
I’ll admit Ukraine performed better than I expected, and Russia performed worse. Ukraine got a lot of foreign help, due in no small part to Russia’s imminent threat to the rest of Europe, real or perceived. I don’t know if the response if Canada was attacked would be the same, or greater, but I hope it is.
Article 5 is Article 5.
The EU could fall back on its own defensive pact, but that would mean losing the UK and Turkey.
Though if the US is smart about it they’ll coordinate with a Russian invasion of the EU.
Likewise for Canadians. See: a large number of sellouts in Alberta.
Especially if the battlefield is near a blue state. NY comes to mind
The French knew how to resist. We have some French. 1+1=2
The French resistance spent years to get started and relatively few of them were able to obtain a functional firearm, let alone other weapons.
We need to have a home guard that is basically a ready made defense force made up of people willing and able to be trained for it. Former or current military, police, and civilians trained for it but kept undercover that they were.
But we look enough like Americans that we can blend in, we have a 5000 mile long border,
And a lot of us have been to their cities enough times to be able to navigate without a map.
Defend? Yes.
Lose? Also yes.
Begin a long, ruthless, bloody painful insurgency that makes Vietnam and Afghanistan look like a retirement home sewing circle? TABERNAK LE FUCK OUI.
(for those who may not understand the switch to French, it is a reference to the phrase "will not fall until the last shell has been fired from the last cannon by the hand of the last French Canadian)
You really think middle-class Canadians have the same vim as people who fought imperialists for generations by the time Americans invaded? The way you guys respond to this shit with power fantasies is incredible.
I’m fine with people fighting the US, but I don’t think you’re going to do well if you think you’re able to welcome it.
I’m afraid that as a middle class Canadian, I don’t understand your last sentence.
People talking as though they take pride in their supposed fortitude against the US aren’t the kind of people who understand what violence is like to live in by merit of thinking it would be glorious. I’m saying if you’re someone who thinks it is a given that Canadians would stomp the US or whatever in a guerilla war, you are welcoming something that you do not understand.
Violence and war is never glorious, it is a painful, horrific and most terrible thing. However, it has been repeatedly shown to have been unfortunately needed.
By its very definition no side “stomps” the other in a guerrilla war. The intent is to make the occupier so uncomfortable that they eventually give up. It is a classic example of fourth generation warfare.
You should read my other comment here on the casual interest in military history and inflated sense of authority with which you guys talk about this. You can’t make a comment like you made and then pretend it doesnt underplay the gravity of this possibility; especially after suggesting that, somehow, people in colonized spaces don’t have the fighting heart of some of the most privileged settlers in the fucking world.
Yeah, sure dude, totally, you understand what it is enough to know when it is “needed.” Cowardly.
I would think that a career of over fifteen years in the Canadian Armed Forces after having escaped from a country torn by civil war and genocide might give me some background in the topics of military force, the willingness of the CAF to fight and armed resistance against tyranny, but, as citizens of a (relatively) free country, we are all entitled to our opinions and allowed to voice them.
Why the fuck would being in the military give you a working understanding of the culture and history of US and Canadian imperialism? You an aerospace engineer too?
If anyone in the CAF cared about tyranny, they wouldn’t be there.
Most middle class Canadians?
Absolutely not
But enough to make every invader’s lives miserable? Oh hell yes. You only need a few dozen people in Canada yo pull this off and I know we have much,much more than that both in Canada AND US territories…
Combined with deeply intertwined societies, inherently porous border and absolutely no clear signifiers of whether an unknown individual is Canadian or American? Even a very small insurgency will be nighmarishly hard to deal with.
Never mind that it’s not hard to picture there being true sympathizers in the states in real numbers.
I think too many of you confuse your casual interest in military tactics and history as having the sufficient expertise to speculate on war. Nobody is saying there wouldn’t be fighting, Im saying Canadians do not understand what fighting would actually mean, and honestly, these kinds of comment threads are great examples of that.
I don’t think I’m arguing with that actually…
The point I’m making ISN’T that the blowhards and nationalists are actually who would fight… but that if ANYONE did, and someone would, it would be extraordinarily difficult to control. And frankly, the impact of actual fighting would be out of all proportion to how significant it really is militarily to the United States
You know what a thermobaric weapon is? You ever think about one landing on loved ones you live with; or living across the street from its target?
I don’t doubt there’s people who will fight back, I just know it isn’t you or many if any of the people on this site. The demos skew older, middle-class, STEM employed white cishet men, and the diversity ranges typically still include privileged classes. No Canadian settler alive has experienced war at the end of an imperial weapon like the US military; or any military. So, no, I don’t think the people on here who gleefully roleplay as guerilla freedom fighters from their desks really understand what they’re talking about.
You are a better armchair general than the rest of us.
Was that what you wanted to hear? Then you can leave now
I love that you literally couldn’t read this as anything other than the larp the rest of you engage in.
“Real life isn’t Call of Duty,” indicated to you that I want to seem knowledgeable about the military, because you couldn’t imagine a different perspective; just about sums up the Canadian community on here.
Oh no, it wasn’t just that comment, it’s the whole ego trip you’re going on under this post.
quotes?
I am 70 years old. I’m sure I could be a very good drone flyer. If not strap a bomb to my scooter and I will head into a crowd of them and go boom.
They wouldn’t have to. The US isn’t going to start shelling and launching cruise missiles against our infrastructure, they would send an occupying force across the boarder by road. “We’re just here to free those Albertans who are being held against their will.”
No Canadian is gonna roll over and let US troops walk down their street, there are scores of people ready to block roads or burn down a building rather than hand it over. And there are the hundreds preppers hoarding guns in their basements, ready to take a shot and then fuckoff into a crowd of people willing to hide them.
The US could take Canada but it would be such a blatant and open act of unprovoked aggression I would be willing to bet even China would put pressure on the US to top, if only to protect their assets in Canada.
It’s not the Canadian military they should be worried about. What they should be worried about is “In case of emergency: Grab SKS, go innawoods”.
Canada has a lot of innawoods, and a not inconsequential amount of SKS, and a lot of citizens vehemently opposed to certain orange pedophiles that they would probably find something useful to do innawoods even without an SKS.
I think most wouldn’t care. They’d complain for awhile post things online but most people won’t fight.
I agree most wouldn’t care. Most wouldn’t have to. It doesn’t take that many active insurgents to make occupation absolutely hellish and unsustainable for the invader. The Viet Cong was only about 200,000 strong at its peak out of North Vietnam’s 20 million population, they beat the US pretty brutally. Yeah they had help from the rest of the population and from external forces… (but probably so would we!)
When trump calls Carney making deals a “hostile act” you know his handlers are letting him know that’s the first step.
Vive le Canada libre.
Canada has known this for years, its the default position. This is why Victoria is the Capital of BC and Ottawa is the Capital of Canada, just to make that final push a touch more difficult.
If Canada will take Americans into their military (or Canadian foreign legion) to defend, I would immediately sign up to kill the conservative invaders. There is no peaceful solution to conservatism. Violence will be required to solve this infestation and every war conservatives start is an opportunity for them to be properly dealt with.
It would be interesting if Canada took a page out of Iran’s book and find some areas in the Canadian Shield and build missle and drones cities under it. How long could Canada keep it hidden?
LibCon politicians would sell us out in an instant and collectively flee to Argentina or Israel…
The Canadian Armed Forces expect Canadians to go full Taliban on the US in the event of an invasion. Do I think Canadians have it in them to pull this off? 50-50, given how our current government enjoys disarming Canadians and dissuading firearm ownership it certainly doesn’t help prepare folks for this reality.
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