Don’t fuck with the nurses, bro.
I hope he gets a nurse with a fake degree the next time they have to rush his fat ass to Walter Reed.
Fellas, is it good when I stop funding nursing education in the middle of a nurse shortage
Is it good when i, a crumbling octogenarian vote away all the systems keeping me tethered to this mortal form?
Making nursing school less affordable will affect the number of nurses in like 4? 6? Years. You as an octogenarian may not expect to need care that far in the future
It’ll be immediate because there are certain nursing certifications that take much less. Nurses are going to lose financing for that and it’ll create shortages within a year.
They want us to die. Nothing they’ve demonstrated has shown anything but a deep, willful satisfaction in making American citizens suffer and a desire to kill off anyone who isn’t a member of the administration.
I hope you dipshit Lemmy leftist kids are prepared to actually work to vote people out in the coming midterms and following 2028 election, and not get lost down some third-party fantasy or hold tight for “the revolution” to start.
I hope you dipshit Lemmy leftist kids are prepared to actually work
vote people out
not get lost down some third-party fantasy
You should take your own advice.
The US had their chance to vote this out. It’s going to take a hell of a lot of anti-establishment actions from this point forward, and no, canceling your Disney+ subscription won’t be enough.
It’s an attack on women. Nursing has historically been one of the only accepted paths for women to make a living wage. It’s an equivalent wage to the construction or police profession that is typically male dominated. I expect to see a lot of attacks on women’s ability to be self sufficient in the coming years. Subjugation and forced birth is the goal.
Probably has a lot to do with their decades-long assault on teaching, too.
Well you’re welcome in Canada where you’re still considered an essential service, which absolutely has “professional” all over it.
I feel like this is related to H1B visas. The Trump admin wants to ban them and one barrier I think was most of our nurses for hospice etc are immigrants (I’m filipino, this is known), so banning H1Bs would impact nursing. This may be their way of banning H1Bs while keeping the nurses around. Unsure of how nursing relates to the H1B program, I’m a software engineer my experience with it is from coworkers having the visas.
I’m sure this affects student loans and education grants as well.
Its for RNs who want to become APRNs/NPs. “Professionals” meant things like doctor and lawyer, and required a grad program. It won’t affect nursing as an associates (RN) or bachelor’s (BSN).
That being said, Healthcare CEOs fucking LOVE them some APRNs, so this will get changed back within a year I’d bet.
“The department determined that the following programs were professional: medicine, pharmacy, dentistry, optometry, law, veterinary medicine, osteopathic medicine, podiatry, chiropractic, theology and clinical psychology. This meant that physician assistants, nurse practitioners, physical therapists and audiologist were excluded from the list.”
Theology and clinical psychology? I didn’t even know that was a career choice, let alone one I could take out a $200,000 loan for.
lol chiropractor and theology are professionals.
Quacklifications by a quack administration
Nor is architecture and engineering is up in the air.
Sure let’s cut back the amount of available nurses to an already struggling count of nurses why not. May as well just say “don’t be a nurse, we don’t value it.” Getting the same treatment as teachers now it seems like.
Amateur Degree. Gotta go full doctor if you wanna be pro.
/s, right?
Obviously
Shit’s absolutely fucked when the sarcasm in my initial comment isn’t obvious to everyone reading it.
Agreed.
I felt dumb for checking but clarification is never a bad way to roll hahaha
Actually not sure how I feel about that. They simply classified it for the same caps on student loans as the rest of us, rather than the higher one for roles like doctors.
Both caps are bad, for all of us. Our college education rates are already far too low, and now we’re trying to make college more unaffordable?
But I guess I assumed a nurse’s education was similar to a four year degree, although I don’t know. Is it not? The nurse they quoted claimed 15 years of college: surely that can’t be normal. Isn’t that more than doctors get?
There’s a difference between an LPN, an RN, etc. Some nurses do have doctorates, which yeah, might be about the same amount of education that a doctor typically gets.
There’s a perception that nurses are “lesser” than doctors - but nursing is fundamentally a different skill set.
LVN takes about two years, RN 4, and BSN another year after RN.
Nurses are the ones delivering the majority of your care, while doctors either diagnose you or are surgeons of some sort.
To sum this up, it’s another attack on healthcare. Do you want uneducated nurses taking care of you every needs? Because nurses are all you’ve got, doctors don’t lift a fucking finger doing bedside work.
Think you’re a little mixed up with your time lines :). ADN is a 2 year degree. BSN is a 4 year degree. RN is a license, no specific timeline (other than having to obtain ADN or BSN to be eligible to sit for the NCLEX).
Nor should a doctor “lift a fucking finger doing bedside work.” There are a lot fewer of them than nurses and they need to diagnose and manage multiple teams that are taking care of patients. No doctor has time to come and tuck you in and bring a glass of ice chips.
And it’s this comment right here that makes me say this. “No doctor has the time to come and tuck you in and bring you a glass of ice chips” well guess what? Nurses don’t either. CNAs are the ones who do that. Recently I had a doctor tell me he didn’t think nurses should be striking for better wages because “all they do is wipe asses and push gurney’s” these doctors give being a doctor a bad name. Don’t look down on the people actually carrying out the healthcare, because without them you have nothing.
Most nurses also don’t have the time. It’s usually nursing assistants bringing you ice chips. Nurses do a lot of what many people might imagine to be a doctor’s purview, or for which they might not realize the complexity and importance. E.g., it’s not a doctor carefully cleaning and dressing your wounds so that you don’t develop a systemic infection, nor is the doctor watching your vital signs or adjusting intravenous medication infusion rates while your organs balance on a knife’s edge, nor is it a doctor who pumps you full of epinephrine to restart your heart after you’ve slipped off the mortal coil. Doctors diagnose and order the treatment, but nurses carry it out, and that too requires specialized knowledge and skills which necessitate intensive education. Ask any nurse, and they’ll tell you that nursing school was one of the hardest experiences of their life.
But that’s all kind of irrelevant to the issue, which is loan eligibility for graduate-level education for nurses. That is, for roles like nurse practitioners and nurse anesthetists, whose job functions and responsibilities significantly overlap with those of medical doctors. Much of the conversation in this thread, and the article itself, confuses that. Associate and bachelor level nursing degrees (the degrees held by most nurses, and the nurses doing the bedside care) weren’t eligible for the loans this rule impacts in the first place.
There’s only a shortage of doctors because the AMA restricts the number of medical colleges so that the number of doctors is artificially kept low so that they continue to make super high wages.
Actually, the problem is the number of residencies. Once you graduate from medical school, you MUST complete an accredited residency program to be able to practice independently. The number of residency programs is controlled by Congress because residencies are funded through Medicare, and the last substantial increase in the number of residencies was when they added 1000 more in the Covid Omnibus bill.
It’s actually a growing crisis because more medical schools are opening and existing ones are increasing their class sizes, but the number of residencies isn’t keeping pace. This means that more and more people are going to be medical graduates with no way of obtaining a medical license without a residency and therefore no way to pay off their student loans. There’s a couple stories every year about medical graduates that couldn’t get into residency or couldn’t complete residency that end up dying by suicide, but it gets pretty effectively swept under the rug.
But seriously though…. Thank god we don’t have that genocide suportin’ Kamala tho, right?
/s
“They’re the same!” 🙄
Normalizing and celebrating Genocide, calling nurses not professional ⚖️
Fuck, you’re right. Establishing genocide as the norm fully supported and celebrated by Democrats is the better option in this scenario. Fuck Palestinian children, let them die horrible deaths as long as your nurses don’t get called unprofessional by Trump. This is the worst timeline, not the one where liberals deep throat genocide while pretending to care about others in the same breath.
You’re a bad person, and you should feel bad.
Awesome! Just as I was going to start nursing school next year. This could not be better news!! 😭
Come to Canada eh?
There is unemployment already for CDN nurses.
Don’t we have a shortage…?
Shortage’s are very common, but from what I’m aware it’s not due to lack of nurses, it’s due to the hospitals not staffing appropriately to save money for their CEOs.
Of course it is… 🤦♂️
Yeah this is actually a huge issue that drives me crazy. Patients do not get nearly as good care as they could have if hospitals just staffed appropriately, people literally die because of this and it still happens because the hospital gas-lights everyone by making up bullshit excuse. At least in the U.S. Anytime you ask why things are they way they are and wonder how it can be better, follow the money. It’s always greedy assholes fucking up the world.
We know they are so who cares what those trash humans think?
The issue is that it affects things like student loan forgiveness, which often requires people to remain employed as a professional in their field of study for a certain period of time after receiving their degree.
Like trump is going to forgive a loan if someone is poor.
That’s fine. I’ll ask my wife and her friends, a mix of NPs, PAs, and RNs, if they recognize the current administration as professional.
Answer will be no and they can kick rocks.
This is also clearly be design to cut peoples access to education as well as reduce the total number of healthcare workers. A double whammy.
My partner is a nurse here in the Northeast. Unfortunately a lot of her coworkers are Trumpies.
Most of them are practically disengaged from politics and only follow their (male) partner’s political beliefs. If they’re from one of the surrounding rural (white and low income) areas, the chances they’re like this are higher. Not shockingly, a fair amount of their partners are cops.
It’s strange and disheartening to hear about nurses she works with who flaunt that they won’t get the covid vaccine, who denigrate patients with substance abuse disorder, who verbalize that they would rather not treat a trans person, and who treat black and brown folks like a different species. But it’s definitely a trend in nursing culture up here.
Its especially difficult for my partner who chose this path in large part because of her acute sense of empathy. The state of healthcare is just bad here.
So leopards ate their face
Most of them are practically disengaged from politics and only follow their (male) partner’s political beliefs. If they’re from one of the surrounding rural (white and low income) areas, the chances they’re like this are higher. Not shockingly, a fair amount of their partners are cops.
Also, some of them have scary levels of religious fanaticism.
No no, see, they’re part of the demographic that’s predestined for success because this is their country, so it’ll all work out for them, no matter how many things this administration does to strip them of their title, success, income, benefits, rights, and dignity.
Unfortunately, they forgot about the *male part of “Straight White Christian Male” apparently. Wish I felt sorry for them.
