I’m willing to work 4x 7 hour days. If you think about the last 30 years of computer enhancing productivity, we’re owed a lot!
I work like a truck, so 4x4 would be appropriate.
I work like a piece of wood, so 2x4 is all I’m asking
And they’re really like 1.6x3.5
I work like a Dolly, 9 days a week 5 hours a day.
She would be so proud of you 🥹
Thank you, it was a long time since I shared this insightful graph. https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
Why not 3x 7 hour days if the productivity gains are that great‽
yeah other places like the netherlands already did 4 day weeks before AI. we can go further.
A human has something like 4-6 hours of good work in them per day and the balance should be on life rather than work so 3 days of max 6h could be a start.
Everything would work as is and better and we can adjust to less allocation
4x6 with 1 hour for lunch. 2 hour lunch break if I have to go to the office.
Does nobody think about the managers?
/s
it’s kinda bringing a “0 hour work” week for a lot of people.
I don’t care if they bring 0 work day if they pay me universal income. I could learn full stack, draw, read books, open a company, etc. Now all I do is word, excels, and a tiny bit of incident response.
I went to college for spreadsheets.
Obligatory shoutout to read David Graeber’s “Bullshit Jobs”.
It needs to bring a UBI with it.
UBI without price control is useless. Rent is just going to go up by that amount and same for utilities, food, etc.
That would be a profound lack of imagination on companies. Raising prices to cover costs make sense since all businesses will be affected in the same way equally, but to just do it because everyone has more money doesn’t, your competitor might just undercut you by keeping their prices the same, and then get all the profit.
Lol.
Have you seen how the real economy works? It works by creating monopolies, fixing prices, lobbying for public contracts and subsidies and moving everything into private equity.
Do you think landowners won’t leech every cent they can get away with?
My sweet summer child…
That assumes that everything isn’t either owned by monopolies, trusts, or even just companies all agreeing to hike prices
Speaking of lack of imagination…
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Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on ai driven polymarket.
We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.
The homeless don’t even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can’t get a job because they don’t have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.
I hate how people are so used to getting ripped off that they hear “four day work week” and assume that it’s going to be 4-10’s.
Like this is Bernie. He’s not perfect, but he gets this type of shit right. Obviously he’s advocating a 32 hour, 4-day work week. It says so in the article that apparently no one read. But people are just so inured to everything getting worse all the time. Damn.
I also think companies should start paying for commute times, and that the time paid should be adjusted based on the cost of living in the area and the salary.
Of someone chooses to live 3 hours away when they could live in walking distance, that’s one thing. But I work for a municipality in a prohibitively expensive area. 0 city employees live in the city they work and literally 100% of households are multi-millionaires or better. I have a 90-120 minute commute depending on traffic because that’s where I can afford to live on my salary, but it also means I’m essentially working 3-4 hours extra a day.
Of course the city isn’t gonna pay me 50% again more money, but if they were required to pay for my commute time they’d suddenly agree that I only really need to be in the office about once a week for public meetings since mostly what I do is Teams meetings, plan review, phone calls and emails, which could be done just as easily from my home office as at City Hall.
Shit - I get more done remote because I don’t have to deal with people walking in without an appointment and demanding a meeting.
Not to be argumentative or anything like that, just wanted to state that I used to have a job where we worked 4 tens and I loved it. Two more hours a day kinda sucked, but having a 3 day weekend every week was nice. Granted, 4 8s would be better if I still made the same money every week.
4 day work week would be already possible if we didn’t use a sizable amount of our industry production to just make useless crap. It would be 3 days, if we abolished planned obsolescence and made thing repairable.
According to Bullshit Jobs it would be less than half the working hours if we just stopped doing those
I think he estimated we’d only need to work about 15 hours per week.
“Should”
The USA left “should” in about 1950. There is no “should” here.
Workers were abandoned by the Democrats long ago. Union membership is now less than 10% (and most of that is government employees, ironically)… it was almost 50% back in the “good old days”.
There is no labor party in the USA, there is no anti-war party, there is no anti-billionaire party. There should be. But there’s not.
Well, union busting prevents workers from banding coallitions and adding the unions. F-, blame Walmart and Amazon.
That was a thing long before Amazon and Walmart. It’s just capitalism in action
Back in the 50s they thought automation would mean we’d all have too much free time.
Too bad anyone left of Nixon was a communist.
I suspect many of us will be getting 7 day weekends whether we want it or not.
The first couple of long weekends are nerve wracking but eventually your body enters rotting phase and then it’s not so bad and you kinda don’t want your 200 day weekend to end
How does farming or the trades interest you?
Everyday, I wish that I had become an electrician.
Unfortunately, I can’t afford to go back to school.
I work in a call center doing customer support, I fear this every day.
What a stupid fucking statement. There’s not going to be any workers left.
fucking lol
To be fair, when I was in primary school, we were assured that the “digital revolution” (or whatever hype phrase was popular) would halve working hours, etc. What it didn’t consider is that bosses would simply demand more productivity.
I mean at all. It didn’t cross their minds that we’d be expected to be twice as productive now that everything was twice as quick. (And so on). 🤯
As history has shown, repeatedly, the only time a worker wins is when they unionise, protest and fight for improvements. You get nothing for free in the mediaeval, feudal system of the workplace.
We should have a 4 day work week anyway, maximum.
4 10 hour days, right?
/s
How about a four day work week and no AI? I’m so done with this timeline.
Let AI take over in exchange for 4 work days? Nope. Still not worth it even it we would get it.
And jesus christ, Bernie. Please don’t let this AI psyslop marketing campaign be the note you end on. :-(
I mean what’s next? Bernie Coin?
I’ve had a few critisims with Bernie with what hes saying about ai recently.
I don’t want to discredit him because I feel hes doing what he thinks is best, and honestly is kind of all we got for a big name right now. The people in the anti Ai space that I look up to havent really reached the average American you interact with daily in real life.
I think much like all the other politicians he doesnt fully understand the technology, and hes coming at it from the perspective he always has had. Which is protecting workers from corperations, and pushing for more socalist causes. Which I still think we need desperately, I’m not trying to say otherwise.
What I am concerned about is that Bernie is in some shape or form aiding these Ai companies in some way.
Like pushing for Ai devs who try to create agsi to be sent to prison for 20 years sounds great but then you realize that Sam altman and elon musk agree with him, and you wonder why. Regulation capture? A morally ethical excuse to slow down when ai is hitting brick walls in progress.
And with the idea of a 4 day work week, and ubi. In theory yes I do want those, but if you been paying attention to the conversations around Ai and stuff like ubi you learn that in order for ubi to work they have to remove social security, healthcare, food stamps, low income housing which cost dramatically more than the measly check you will receive every month. Thats my worst nightmare, everyone only gets 600-800 a month and is left to fend for themselves in a world where ai manipulates them with dark patterns into lighting national Forrest on fire so they can get rich on polymarket. Or they have to use the claud slot machine to pay for multiple spins on a chance to get working code for their gig working job, that takes a 30% cut ontop of all the api tokens.
So I’m torn in some ways because I’m worried that the path through all this is riddled with mine fields, and we could some how end up in position worse than we are in now just due to how much people are pushing for ANYTHING right now.
The change I ususally see fit is much more radical and not really realistic, and I don’t see the general publics mindset really catching up for a few more years. And in two years the landscape could of changed dramatically.
I think it’s as simple as the fact that he’s old and just doesn’t understand the tech and how it’s mostly smoke and mirrors. He’s probably got malicious people influencing him as well. It’s sad but this why public servants need mandatory retirement before they get to this stage.
He’s not been ‘bought’ or anything unless they’ve convinced him that they’ll transfer his mind into an LLM or something so he’ll live forever.
Seriously though that’s probably going to be a selling point soon. Promising all the sick and dying people of this country a shot immortality (with the power of AI!) in exchange for votes and their life savings. Remember that cryonics scam? Anything to keep the bubble going.
I’m not anti berni in anyway I don’t think hes malicious in any shape or form.
Just now that topic is on ai something I’ve been a little more tuned into I’m noticing the cracks.
I’d still support much of anything he is pushing for, because frankly he has much more lived experience for me and despite his lack of knowledge in some areas, vastly out performs me in all others.
Theres things in too stupid to understand, I’m not a economist, or a historian etc. I’m just some dude on the internet who spends too much time politicising everything. Maybe I’m wrong about things, and Bernie’s one of the few that has earned enough trust with me where I would be blindly faithful. Like if he spearheaded a successful anti Ai, pro socalist movement theres a lot I would kind of feel I have to go along with, just to keep mom/dad or the kids from fighting in the family. If that anology makes sense.
I’d still spout my long winded over opinionated wall of texts on Lemmy and stuff, but I’d vote or go along with things I don’t nessisarly agree with if I seemed like it at least brought us a little closer to where we should be.
I still don’t trust when people talk about UBI though. (Not us I assume we have the best intentions here, but politicians, news ankers, podcasters, etc) Tell me the plan to make ai pay for it, and ensure me all social welfare service are intact and I’m all for it. But bribing everyone with cash to get rid of health services is insane. These companies have made every little thing as addictive as possible to extract wealth out of you, and that UBI check is just going to end up back in the hands of people like polymarket, fentenal dealers, and fast food companies.
Like we should do things like reducing the cost of fresh fruit and vegetables on food stamps so people could get more benifits while encouraging healthier eating. Instead food stamps have been dramatically reduced and require people to work. Well the poorest of the poor often don’t have a home, and due to that they can’t work.
What’s worse is people like RFK are talking about bringing in labor camps, as if the prison belt wasn’t making enough money from forced labor of the underclass. So we are actively creating yet another extractive/exploitative system which profits off of the suffering of the people who have it worst.
4-day workweek and UBI, please.
A UBI would effectively enable a 4 day work week regardless.
Even when the progressives mention ubi it ALWAYS comes at the cost of removing all other social services like health care, low income housing, food stamps, social security. So imagine recieveing up to 5000+ dollars a month in benefits being taken away from you because the dumb majority is excited to get their 600-800 dollar a month bribe so that they can go yolo it all on so driven polymarket.
We need more social welfare not less. Trump already is gutting social welfare services to pump that money into ai.
The homeless don’t even get benifits now due to work requirements, and they can’t get a job because they don’t have a home. And RFK is talking about putting them in camps.
I don’t see why UBI has to remove the rest of social services. Feels like that would fit in the “More social welfare” bin.
I don’t need Bernie to fully understand AI before he continues advocating for the people. He also has enough of a track record to trust that he does not blindly believe the AI rhetoric, which is primarily pushed by the same Corpo types he usually rails against. I’d wager he’s also for adding guard rails and protections.
Its good to keep pushing for good things, despite whatever noise is going on. Perfect being the enemy of good has sidetracked many an effort. Like conservatives have had no problem taking their little victories over the years chipping away at rights before going full out fascist. We need little victories do push back too.
It doesnt have to remove all the social welfare programs but every single time its mentioned in a discussion that’s how its described to work. Not our discussions but think tanks, podcasts with politicians, news talking heads, etc.
Also if we keep losing the welfare services we have now due to ai, what makes you think suddenly they are going to be okay with adding more. Especially one of such massive scale to promise every single human cash money.
These people keep using the term effiecency as if welfare needs to be some profitable thing.
As a study of what these Ai people think we should look at asha sharma who used to hold a position at the Ai division at Microsoft, who recently took over as the lead for Xbox.
She is there to pretend they are doing compromise and working for the people, yet at the same time cannibalizing the product they are working on to further chase the all mighty ai dollar. Xbox game pass the cloud gaming service keeps hiking up prices, making ad tiers, and now adding 25 hours a month limit to how much you can stream. Xbox game pass is already doing the worst it has, and Xbox doesnt want to make game consoles anymore, meaning game pass is all they have. All that compute at the data centers is getting repurposed for Ai, leaving xbox to die on the vine. Potentially bringing down all the developers that it bought with it.
Asha sharma was recently asked to be apart of some federal reserve task force. If you ask me that sounds like she is going to be incharge of the same exact thing. Canabilizing the system she was meant to “help” and funnel those profits to ai.
And asha sharma is just the name that’s in my head right now, this is practically everyone on goverment, or the head of a buisness. When they talk about UBI, its not because they believe in some greater good, or want their companies to get taxed more to pay for it. No its because it benifits them in some way. The system is pay to win, and people can easily be manipulated into fucking themselves over because they don’t want to think two steps ahead.
True UBI should replace those other services, because it should be a basic income that allows people to survive without a job. You shouldn’t need additional health care because we should have medicare for all. You shouldn’t need low income housing because your UBI should be enough to pay for a modest home. You shouldn’t need food stamps because UBI should cover it.
The fact that it’s always framed as “$600 bribe!!!” is infuriating and absolutely wrong, because that’s far from “basic.” “Basic” would mean enough to live on, without requirement.
Again in theory I want ubi, but as I see it, its a way to reduce benifits.
Maybe the more I think about it I don’t like it I’m not sure.
At its core ubi adds flexibility, and the ability for people to manage their resources at their own needs. At the same time that’s part of the problem. Already social security doesnt cover it, there’s people in their 70’s still working at Walmart and thats including disabilities, healthcare, and food stamps if they still receive all those. I think UBI is better for private corperations to step in and capture that money instead of trying to assure peoples needs are met.
I just don’t see how in the world we currently exist in how its going to work out. I feel like major structural change has to come first and we are better off with things like universal healthcare, state housing, etc.
That way it provides state/federal jobs. Often people critize goverment workers for being lazy, slow, and decently paid. I say yeah that’s the point. If we are facing job loss having a form of guaranteed employment is nice. And having some inefficiency is good, providing a work life balance and not expecting ai to 3x peoples work loads is good for society.
Welfare shouldn’t be this ai ran numbers maximizer for effiecency.
You’re saying “we shouldn’t do it because the government would ruin it.” I’m saying “the government shouldn’t ruin it.” To which you responded, “yeah but what if they do tho?”
I know all of that, and I’m not saying that this is the easy way out. But UBI is a much more effective and stress-tested way to introduce an effective social safety net to a capitalist society when done right. So I think we should do it right.
If less work needs to be done by humans, does that mean we can have Universal Basic Income, and get paid extra for the jobs that still need humans?
“sorry, best we can do is 2 shit jobs 7 days a week. AI took all the good ones and we’re not sharing a fucking thing with you”
- billionaire scum
My workplace has hybrid system. 3 days in office and 2 days remotely.
It has shifted so, that people work their ass off during those 3 days using AI as much as possible and during those two remote days they just sit on their asses with a laptop running in the background, mouse jigger on.
A full screen PowerPoint/Google Slides also keeps your machine awake.
Yeah. Plugging in a USB device that you bought online is a risk, unless you have enough knowhow to analyse it first on your machine running a wm.
Safer mouse jigger is a small slow electric motor and some legos.
Any solutions for trackball mice?
Motor and legos should work fine. You just need to glue something on with a little more traction on it.
There is also a powershell script you can use to press numlock on-off in set intervals, but that’s more visible to IT, if your company uses activity analysis.
How paranoid are you if you test every USB device? OK got a new memory stick or keyboard. Gotta test it!
Plugging shit you ordered from Amazon or Aliexpress on your company laptop is a definate no no, unless you can be sure.
The company laptop isn’t mine, that makes it the perfect test environment!
We have mandatory biannual courses with a quiz on how not to be you. 😆
They really suck ass, but I see they have an actual function.
We only get a quiz that badly teaches you the very basics of how to start a fire. A lesson I learnt when I was about 5. They call it fire safety but its mostly just what does a fire need to burn.
Fuel, oxygen and an arsonist!
A $2 Arduino Nano with mouse juggler code. Very easy to set up, and you know the exact code running on it.
I do have ES32-C6 chips laying aroung 🤔
Unfortunately, ESP32s aren’t compatible with HID input. You’ll want an Arduino Nano. They can act as a direct input device.
Though I wonder if you could get that to work as a BLE keyboard… That could be possible.
Duckduckgo did give me a github page for a ESP32 bluetooth mouse jigger. Not sure if compatible with ESP32-C6 because of the RISC-V. Had some issues. Thats why they are “laying around”
