Firefox says it will keep supporting uBlock Origin even as Microsoft Edge and other Chromium browsers phase it out under Manifest V3.
Except Firefox and its forks, are there any other browsers that are not chromium based?
It’s not ready yet but there’s the ladybird project that has a lot of promise. I appreciate FF a lot but their code base is a mess, they need a modern rewrite of their browser engine. That’s why we’re getting all these chromium based browsers, it’s just a better base to build off of.
Alternate headline: Firefox is now the only browser worth using.
And in any case, lumping Firefox as one browser is disingenuous. There are numerous Firefox forks, just like every other major browser is in fact a Google Chromium fork.
I can’t imagine using the web without firefox and ublock. Even the cookie consent popups are awful.
Seriously. I clear my cookies on Firefox exit because I don’t want their shit on my computer if it isn’t needed.
This would cause me to see them every single damn time.
I recommend using the extensions Containers and “temporary containers” instead. This way you can keep cookies for specific containers / websites but all the other cookies get deleted.
Yeah, the user experience of “just wipe cookies on browser exit” is a lot better than “have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.
However, regarding “every single damn time”…some sites can have their “do you want cookies” popup just blocked by the Firefox I still don’t care about cookies addon. It’s not a solution for every site out there, but it’ll get a lot of them.
It’s also possible to use another extension, Behind the Overlay on some sites. This does require a click, so manual action, but it tries to identify “pop-over” content that covers up the browser window and remove it with that click. It’s really intended as a more-general solution to “pop-over” stuff, but cookie pop-ups often take this form and can be dismissed.
You can also just enable one of the “Cookie notices” lists in your ublock settings, no need for another extension.
Especially considering how many extensions have been found to be malware lately
have a million prompts all over zillions of sites”.
I’m using Ghostery to automatically reject all of those. They pop-in and almost immediately disappear.
Ghostery blocks trackers then sells data about your tracking blocking habits. It was the first tracker blocker I heard of but Privacy Badger is the better one nowadays.
Not true since 2017 (and even before that it was kinda’ disputed). The adblock part of the business went to Cliqz, a German privacy-focused browser, backed by Mozilla.
I have downvoted your comment because it’s repeating a popular myth, nothing against you personally.
LibreWolf, WaterFox and Vivaldi
vivaldi recently disabled uBO and said it’d soon be unsupported. you can re-enable for now
I was using vivaldi and they were kind enough(seriously) to inform me that they don’t support ublock anymore maybe a week ago.
Not sure about the reason but I think that it’s a technical thing the Google changed to deliberately make it easy to end ublock on a lot of browsers. Might not be the only reason(actual tech upgrades) but I believe it’s part of the reason since major conspiracies seem much more likely these days.
Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can’t play x.265 files (jellyfin). Anything that kills the use of ublock is dead to me even though they have their own shitty, bullshit blocking solution. It’s never going to be as good as ublock edit grammar and shit
It’s not a conspiracy. It’s been a very well published and discussed process.
There are exceptions but browsers are either reconfigurations of firefox, like librewolf, or reconfigurations of google chrome, like vivaldi.
Some dweeb will be along in a moment to tell us all how vivaldi is not merely a reconfiguration, but the point is …
google changed the manner in which plugins can interact with the web page you see. In recent months you could re-enable the old plugin interface by recompiling with a different configuration, but once google makes a change that breaks that old interface then you can’t just re-enable it.
Anyway, I switched back to Librewolf even though it can’t play x.265 files (jellyfin).
you should check that again, Firefox gained support for it last year.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Media/Guides/Formats/Video_codecs#hevc_h.265
check the browser compatibility column in the table. it seems maybe Firefox is the only one supporting it even for those without hardware acceleration?
Admittedly, I haven’t tried too hard to get it working in any of the FF browsers lately…my unraid server blew up and it was handling hardware acceleration with a cheap intel vid card. I haven’t felt like messing with until now so I’ll give it a shot. Thanks for the info
edit: no transcoding when l tried an x.265 in regular firefox. sweet
I didn’t know that, well glad I went to LibreWolf.
Zen, though I think that’s basically Firefox under the hood.
…may you elaborate?
LibreWolf has it pre-installed and is Open-source. It worked on waterfox an Open-source fork of Firefox, last time I tried.
As for Vivaldi I guess use Brave instead.
Brave is the money generator of a far right hate group. Fuck Brendan Eich, fuck their ad replacement scam, fuck everything Brave.
Really??? I had no clue!!!
I just got back into being into the open source life after going back to Ubuntu after almost 20 years later. I stopped using Ubuntu in 2009 when Pigeon was an aio instant messenger client.
… Well shit. Yeah fuck that guy.
And Brave, don’t forget brave
No, you should forget brave it’s yet another piece of shit chrome knock off. Just like the rest. It ain’t immune. It can kick and scream but either the entire project dies or they bend the knee eventually.
Not to defend Brave (seriously, don’t use Brave), but it has built-in ad-blocking.
As long as chromium is open source I see no problem down the line… and if Google one day stops the funding of open source projects, well, the Firefox is also toast
Ublock Lite still works in Chrome (and it still blocks YouTube ads, not sure about cookie popups), but you get no control over the filters. Just a slider with some presets to choose from. So while better than nothing, just stick with Firefox.
Now that MV2 is dead in chrome, i wouldn’t bet on YouTube ads being able to be blocked by UBlock Lite for much longer.
Pretty sure full ublock origin still works in helium no?
Pretty sure I’ve read months ago that the maintainers said they’ll try to support it as long as possible but at the moment v2 support is removed from the source code, they’ll won’t have the resources to add it back again.
If they ever stop supporting it I will continue to use the last version to support it, any website that breaks compatibility with this Firefox version can get fucked.
That’s a significant security risk, unfortunately.
If that happens, I’d suggest a fork with a built in blocker, one that still gets security patches from upstream Firefox.
Exactly. Ublock origin is notable only for being part of 0 ad companies and 100% trustworthy. The blocking lists are universal. If it’s built into the browser, you’re golden
Well…
With a fork, one is very dependent on the browser dev. Not just on their benevolence, but on their security practices too. And on them pulling in upstream security patches, quickly.
TBH, this is why I do finance stuff on vanilla Firefox. I love browser forks, I really do, but I’m a bit more cautious with them, too.
The most used forks are usually larger teams tbf, not a single dev
True, sometimes. But they don’t have the sheer manpower dedicated to security that Mozilla has, nor the institutional policies that try to mitigate losing a key/account or something like that. Also, technically, vanilla Firefox is first to get the zero-day patches before they filter downstream.
Not that the forks are dangerous or anything, generally.
“Dev” as if it’s just a singular person
Most of the forks are teams of 10-20 devs
i mean… blocking lists are universal, but the other features ublock offers are not - i’m making heavy use of ublock’s dynamic filtering panel and per-site switches. one important thing i use ublock for is to whitelist which sites get javascript permissions and to get rid of remote fonts to make pages more readable. those features need manifest v2.
if firefox drops manifest v2 and you’re relying purely on those inbuilt blocking lists then you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?
if firefox drops manifest v2
I think they said they will go out of their way to keep the extension APIs in Mv3 that uBlock needs
you might as well use the manifest v3 version of ublock without seeing a difference, right?
Can confirm, I was thinking about switching off of Chrome due to this but since I don’t use the custom stuff (much) I’m not noticing a difference with the v3 compatible “light” version of uBlock Origin.
I’ll just spend my reading time reading more books than I do now. Forcing me to look at ads will not work.
wait for 4g books that serve you unskippable ads
Librewolf would probably still support it
librewolf does not have much developer capacity to maintain such heavy patches. you may remember some chromium forks telling they will maintain a patch when google completely removes this API from chromium, but it seems none of them will follow through. I can’t really fault them because it is likely a gargantuan task. but I’ll fault them for claiming something they (should) have known they can’t deliver. but my point is if vivaldi and others can’t keep it, how could librewolf?
I’d probably go retro, use something like Dillo and stick to more classic webpages. Or go full Gopher/Gemini.
as a websev, you’re gonna have a bad time
Since there are only two major browsers… one of which admittedly wears many disguises.
If it goes… I don’t know what I’ll do.
Go out and touch grass probably.
Get a hobby.
Perfect my molotov recipe.
Sometimes I think it was a mistake to let the programs we primarily use to view text and images become bloated virtual machines that execute megabytes of arbitrary code with every page load.
Happy with Librewolf. I can’t imagine using my browser everyday if I don’t have a good adblocker on it like uBO.
I.e. it is the last usable browser.
The best extension :)
+ a mediocre browser
No, you’re a mediocre browser
this is legit one of the funniest comebacks
And his mom is too
Can confirm; Dan’s mom = very mediocre. Not worth the journey to her house 3/10.
Gotem!
His dad is a great Bowser though
What is mediocre about it? What would be an example of a good browser, and what are the differences?
Nothing is mediocre about it. All of the “best” browsers are based on FF’s Gecko engine. Maybe they have complaints about Mozilla or the weird stuff they’ve been doing with FF recently. But the actual Gecko engine is solid, and it’s what all the best browsers are based on.
Don’t feed the troll, down vote and move on
im an old web dev and im stuck in my shitty ways which includes not liking how ff is the only effing browser that takes extra effort to make the front-end look and function correctly. tbh, i do use ff on android 99% of the time, but ff on desktop breaks too many sites if you have any inkling of ff’s security turned on.
im not wrong, you all are just fanboys
complaints not parsed into action items aren’t worth anyone’s time.
Why?
It’s bait. The only “better” browsers are downstreams of FF.
No, you’re a towel
Yeah, but it does run uBlock Origin, renders web pages just fine, can do WebRTC, and even has support for bookmarks and pinned tabs. What else do you want from a web browser?
Chrome’s advantages were in the security and performance departments. But Firefox isn’t that much worse.
I tried browsing the internet without uBlock Origin. I hated it in 5 minutes. I’m not going back to there anytime again. If your browser does not support uBlock Origin, then I am not using it.
Right? I just set up a new phone and had Firefox installed but no extensions yet. Had to search something and the website I ended up on was plastered in ads. Is this how some people actually live? I closed the site and installed uBlock Origin and then went back to the same site. Holy shit, night and day difference.
Google is locking down Android too!
Is there a good small cheap repairable phone out there? I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone. And I cant experiment as much as I would want on my main phone.
Ive almost thought about carrying a tiny burner phone then a small laptop for everything else.
I have a fairphone4 and I LOVE /E/ OS. But I would also like to actually USE a linux phone
What do you mean? You can’t use your FP4?
I’m considering getting a FP6 relatively soon, and would be using it as my only one…
I use android via /e/os. But I cannot experiment with my only phone. There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.
FF is a great phone btw.
There is 2fa and other such services that I have to have access to. Worst case, I cant get into accounts and such.
That’s my main concern too.
Here in Denmark, the MitID authentification app is completely integral to functioning online, and last I checked it doesn’t work on GrapheneOS, so /e/os is probably not likely either 🫤
I got myself a physical code chip because MitID doesn’t work with /e/. The code chip works great.
The app is probably convenient, but I am also very happy not to depend on my phone to sign in to everything.
I think you should be able to emulate /e/ OS to try out some stuff? Maybe someone else can chime in. Dont know if that helps or not.
My 2fa works in /e/ but im going to assume other OSes probably wont.
You can’t use something like bitwarden for mitid?
Nope, you’ll need mitid specifically. It’s run by the government and mandated 😮💨
I love my FP6
Every Linux phone uses an android shim just because it isn’t possible to change the firmware iirc
You named it the Fairphone is the best Linux phone.
You have a point.
…it is a really nice phone.
I just cant afford two. First world problem haha.
I have a FP5 and a similar problem to you. My FP3 before it died on me so it’s not much help.
I’m low key planning to find a second hand FP3 and use it to experiment with Linux until I find there are no big problems with using it as a daily driver. In practice I don’t really have enough time to put into it so I’ll probably keep on using /e/ for the forseeable future.
The Commedore phone, if you want something minimalistic that does have Android compatibility.
I’m looking at preordering it. Shipping now would be Dec-Jan.
Last I was aware, Linux phones work really well on Google Pixel 3as. They’re no longer supported by stock Android nor still manufactured so I assume the second hand ones will be cheap.
I appreciate the response.
I have owned two google phones. Both had hardware issues/battery issues and one almost exploded. One day it got super hot and the battery turned into a spicy pillow. Sorry but im not going to get another google phone as long as I live. Neither lasted more than 2 years.
That’s fair. Which models did you have? I had a couple problems with the earlier Google Pixels, but I’ve found the later ones have really ironed out their hardware problems.
I think your main problem is going to be finding phones for cheap that also work well as Linux phones. I think the lowest-effort options like Pine phones are gonna cost you more. But I wish you luck.
I had a p7 and it only lasted 3 yrs. Motherboard went. 750 euros that had cost brand new. First phone I have bought that didn’t last > 5 yrs
I had a 4 I think? That one lasted about a year and a half before the battery wouldn’t last more than half a day. Then it bricked one day. Not sure what happened.
The 6a was the worst. It was cheap and good at first. But then kept getting hotter and hotter…almost burnt me.
get the new Jolla Linux phone.
As far as I know the Google Developer Verification BS won’t reach Custom ROMs right? But yea in the long run it probably makes sense to make the jump one day or another.
Like a true google hate inspired hipster I have been using Firefox for at least the past 9 years. Don’t let one of the shittiest companies control even more of the world because you are too fucking lazy to switch to a different browser. If you have to deal with a few shitty websites made by morons that only work in chrome keep a secondary chromium install on standby when you have to hold your nose and use it.
Honestly I can only think of one. Weirdly a “developer platform”
Well I guess a couple more because keyboard firmware sites do that usb browser thing that terrifies me is a thing and only chrome supports.
Firefox recently grew that terrifying WebSerial USB thing!
I have been a web dev for over 25… oh god… approaching 30 years, and most web dev teams with an ounce of self respect will spend the honestly trivial time to test against different browsers. I consider it a basic part of the god damn job. Even still banks and government sites seem to not give a fuck.
Nativia is a cross platform electron app that runs on your machine without network access and allows you to configure most of these keyboards. It’s also open source.
For a while I think it was Papa Johns, or Dominos, some pizza chain site didn’t work on Firefox. Worse than that though when I was in highschool I remember some school district stuff didn’t work on Firefox
In my experience even one of the platforms with moronic developers eventually fixed their Firefox support. I dunno if the surge in Linux users had anything to do with it or not, or if it was because I would browser there, make my payments fail then switch to the Falkon browser every single time.
In unrelated news, Firefox is now the dominant browser and nobody knows why.
If only that were true. To many people are addicted to google to ever give up chrome/chromium without a series of catastrophic fuckups from google.
Doesn’t help that Mozilla leadership is incompetent and doesn’t know what their core audience wants
also dependant on GOOGLe for revenue too.
Unfortunate how momentum like that works. I haven’t managed to degoogle myself yet but switching to firefox has created zero issues in my daily usage
Well, it’s better if it’s a slow process, just like detoxing. Good luck by the way.
Dude, the last thing I use Google for is YouTube and the ads are so much now on my tv and when listening to stories in my car that I’m seriously considering either paying for nebula or just snorting whatever I find under the sink for amusement.
uBlock origin works on YouTube and works in Firefox for Android
Yes but I can’t install that on an appleTV or mess with it while driving so there are times I still encounter the bad.
You already made the choice to use appletv
I love nebula. Well worth it. Less content, but all but two of my preferred creators are on it (not including Dropout, which is also worth it). For those two, I use Freetube every month or so to check in, but they’re just Tiny little science channels that do simple experiments, and I can find the experiments they cite on their university webpages once I have the names of their demos.
i forget what its called… pihole? You can set up a small box on your network that can filter out ads on devices that you cant install adblocking on, like on your TV and stuff.
Pihike adblocker doesn’t work for streams, just static content.
Well color me informed.
does not work for youtube. for that, you need either a third party youtube app with builtbin blocking, or a patched official app that adds the blocking.
Or just open the Firefox website in the browser
I guess you meant the youtube website, but on a TV you won’t be able to block youtube ads in the browser either
I don’t use the smart TV functions, I connect a device to the TV to watch stuff on the TV. I certainly don’t use any apps to watch YouTube
