I do not like those sticks of RAM. I do not like them, Sam I am.
I hate the idea of Sam Altman not being in prison
God that guy needs to be punched in the face.
So we’d own a basic terminal, and pay a subscription for our computing needs.
Gosh, who’d’a thunkit? Never saw that one coming.
Especially not when he said how he envisions ai to someday be a utility like water or electricity, that everyone will pay for
Shocked, I tell you. I’m utterly shocked
So we’d own a basic terminal, and pay a subscription for our computing needs.
No.
We would rent a proprietary terminal that also needs a paid subscription to a computing service.
why do these so called captains of industry always sound like whiny little bitches? if they’re so smart, come up with a better solution
Ok Sam, give your computers up first and then we will negotiate.
The problem isn’t the AI, the issue is that the elites are trying to horde it and keep it from us little people. If we are to have agency, having personal ownership over local AI, collectively owned AI, and regulations, are all key to ensuring that democracy and egalitarianism is secure.
The elite will not willingly surrender power, especially there is a void that they can colonize. Ordinary people like us should fill the vacuum, to deny the elite from having total control over AI.
On contrary, we should run all our models locally.
Somebody kill this cunt on camera and threaten everyone profiting from it that they’re next and man it. People like him deserve to suffer just for our amusement.
That’s the livestream I would actually tune into. Make it a double feature with Trump.
We skip trials when literally everyone already has the evidence.
I mean, he has a point. Hardware is used way more efficiently in the data center, and any sort of deficit is best resolved in a centralized system due to more efficient resource allocation. The same setup could be used like 2 hours a day for your personal needs, or 24 hours a day to serve many people.
THAT SAID, their greed and unsatiable desire to make the number go up by hooking us into subscription economy with ever rising costs is what led us here and it leaves us with little choice but to accept the less efficient way and host these things ourselves.
Remember the times not so long ago when self-hosting was an enthusiast hobby instead of necessity? Barely anyone non-geeky bothered with it, because what existed served people well. Now, having to build our own services remains the only sane choice, and the only way out of the nightmare Sam, among others, has built with his own hands.
Hardware is used way more efficiently in the data center, and any sort of deficit is best resolved in a centralized system due to more efficient resource allocation. The same setup could be used like 2 hours a day for your personal needs, or 24 hours a day to serve many people.
Only for a rather narrow definition of efficiency, though. For raw compute power, yes, but you’d also be adding a whole bunch of overhead from all the network traffic and routing that would be necessary for that sort of thing to work in the first place.
If people used their desktops like in the old days where you’d connect to a mainframe or master computer, you’d end up needing computing hardware on both ends anyway, since the user side would need to be enough to be able to connect and send all the interactions to the master computer. At that point, you could just buff up the client computer, and do all that in the user’s home.
There’s also an argument that some of the basic problems would still apply anyway. A data centre does not fully utilise 100% of its capacity. There’d always be some reserve to have failover if a server dies, or there’s a sudden spike in load, like with a home machine.
The problem is that for less than a year’s subscription I can just buy my own equipment. So yeah it would be more sensible to centralise everything, but as you say the prices are too high.
I keep saying this, AI is not commercially viable yet, it should still be in the lab and they shouldn’t be trying to sell it as a product. Maybe in a few years they’ll be able to distill that down to something that will run on a reasonable amount of hardware and subscription prices can become sensible. There’s no way in hell I’m giving them $200 a month to automate something that I do actually know how to do myself. You can still run out of tokens despite giving them $2,400 a year, so where’s my incentive to not just go and buy a Mac mini?
It doesn’t fulfill the same user case. One can be used offline, the other cannot. One can be used without a subscription, the other cannot. One needs to be running constantly to meet targets, the other can be run whenever I want. One has that memory being used by very specific services, the other has that memory being used for whatever I want to use it for. Why should we care about an efficiency factor that really only benefits Sam Altman and ignores all other metrics?
If you think he has a point, I think you are being dazzled by the inherent proposition of an implementation in the ideal egalitarian society, which we do not live in nor is he really interested in providing.
In theory it can be more efficient but the consumer market never was going to contribute to the scarcity, and the bigger problem is the “must build AI datacenters” by all comers whether or not they actually have a plan to bring up and utilize.
Altman kicked off a corporate hoarding storm by committing half of the world’s DRAM manufacturing supply, then every other corporate had to get in on it.
The result according to a report I read is that over half of the technology delivered to these folks are sitting disused. Because they couldn’t get the right power to the datacenter, or maybe they did get all that lined up but don’t have the business relationship with whomever actually would use the capacity, or they otherwise botched things so their setup is not viable.
The far bigger culprit is the bad datacenter buildout. Vilifying the consumer market is just a better narrative for his agenda.
I might argue with centralized systems being the only ones that allocate resources most efficiently. You can have nearly same efficiency with decentralized models, except they are more complicated to implement, but the diversification is often worth it.
In another timeline where RAM and GPUs were still largely consumer accessible, I wouldn’t doubt there would already be a SETI-like decentralized alternative for LLMs.
I don’t know about that, mostly because the structure of LLMs at the moment make them incredibly bandwidth-hungry, and also quite sensitive to latency.
You do have some small-scale versions of that, where people link a few smaller computers together to run a larger model, but that usually exists in the form of things like connecting machines via USB4/Thunderbolt, or Oculink, which are much faster and lower latency than a typical internet connection.
There is something a bit like that, with the Kobold AI Horde, but that is still people hosting an entire model and sharing that over the internet, rather than something like Folding/SETI@Home, where you’re doing part of the actual calculations yourself.
I was actually thinking more like participants who can offer computational power during periods of no use, accrue reputation the more they contribute, and can use that reputation to offload computation to the cloud. If your PC was not powerful enough to run local LLMs, it would need to contribute a lot more, or perhaps it would just be limited to clouds of people running powerful enough GPUs for the local LLMs being used so they could get an added benefit to leaving it running at night.
An LLM model running over across multiple PCs across the Internet would not really be workable, no, but their product is.
I think you mean effectively not efficiently, the resources use is the same if I local host or use a provider.
The capacity requirement decreases immensely when the setup process isn’t just tap a thing on the app store and then talk to it.
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Hard disagree. It makes sense for certain use cases and not for others, like when you are near to a large pool of data to process, or running latency sensitive processes, or want security around the data being used. None of those use cases are going away.
No
Care to elaborate?
Ah, yes, sorry. No, he does not have a point. A data center is not more “effective” nor in fact economical or sensible. Even logically, rationally, ethically, scientifically… like, I refute his point, in its entirety. Mostly because i’m not a hypercapitalist but also because compute pooling seriously is not a good idea to begin with. It’s fragile. It’s insecure. Dangerous in so many ways. If people do not fight against cloud control, they will eat up our final rights and consume entire humans. I don’t like megacorp entities and the way they listen with hidden microphones and fingerprint us, just for perverse sharing as a literal commodity, with no shame because a demonic autonomous system cannot feel. It can only grow. I just meant no to that.
Thanks for sharing.
In that sense, I like the idea brought by one of the commenters to make BOINC-like decentralized computing network that would utilize idle hardware on people’s computers. This can be tailored for LLMs, too.
This way, everyone could access the technology without having to pay billionaires and without all that datacenter buildout, and the people-owned hardware would be put to good use.
It’s important to own means to compute. Queuing and blasting gpus and cpus att 100% is a trick notion, in reality it will be used for less important jobs due to the economy of priority, and the hardware is worn down. The proposed network can be used for things like fold @ home type efforts, or communal efforts. But nobody wants a device screaming in their home, and if you gain points or crypto or similar it probably attracts an investments crowd. I just don’t believe in the idea at all. It’s been possible to make for a long time, and is clearly only attractive to this fool because he is a pseudo intellectual advertisers for hyperscalers that think owning compute means owning the world. They’re not only morally corrupt, they are incorrect and idiots that will lose their attempt and be punished by their respective megacorp demonic entities and replaced with new pseudo intellectual advertising personalities
“The entire way people use computing in the whole World should change so that my business model has a small chance of being viable”
– Sam Altman
Yeah with open models catching up and giving reasonable results in consumer grade setups, they are gonna go full on with “unregulated AI is too dangerous we should only allow hardware gated LLMs”.
It is so funny this guy is the CEO of a company called openAI lol.
And that sentiment will come from the same people that just removed reverse-engineering from the common folk, reserving that power for specific companies and government entities. https://tbreak.com/claude-opus-5-5-reverse-engineering-restricted/
Said CEO of a company from USA that started wars and killed kids. Fuck USA, fuck their AI companies, fuck them and stop using their products.
Sam Altman has lost the plot.
His own model of LLM isn’t sustainable or profitable, where the local software model us.
And the economy isn’t there just to make Sam Altman richer.
This is (another) Let them eat cake moment in which another spoiled aristocrat has lost touch with the common people.
subscription models are a scam.
"We see a future where intelligence is a utility, like electricity, and people buy it from us on a meter,” - Sam Altman
Devoid of soul he is.
Sci-fi has been warning us about exactly this type of maglomaniac and the future they want to control for as long as I can remember.
yeah we all had it on our bingo cards so I guess we all win on this one.
Ignoring the warnings is hardly a win.
Not even ironically.
Hahahah this dude still thinks he has a horse in the race
