Fun little triangle there between Norway, Sweden and Denmark.
This makes me wonder how does the graph diagram wind up looking like. Most nodes seem to end in a Germany-Switzerland-France loop
And then there’s the edge case of England going literally outside of the continent, with Australia
The other side of the world: for when you really need to get as far away from it all as you can.
They took away our right to live in Europe. I imagine things would be very different for British 18-34 year olds had that not happened.
I’m not sure that’s true, even when we were in the EU more Britons moved to Australia.
That’s because Brits would rather move to the literal other side of the globe where everything wants to kill you than learn a second language.
That makes a lot of sense - but if that were all there was to it, wouldn’t most of the emigration go to the fellow Commonwealth member, Canada?
Better not risk the chance of ever seeing a french word. By accident
Russians also move to Kazakhstan
Right, I keep forgetting Russia is still partly in Europe
Oddly enough, so is Kazakhstan! By most definitions of the Asia-Europe border, Kazakhstan has a chunk on the European side that’s actually still bigger than most European countries
Most of it is in Asia, but the part in Europe has most (75%+) of the actual people. Partly colonial population dynamics at work, partly the rest of it being Siberia.
They do like to make themselves at home in other people’s homes. Wouldn’t be such a problem if so many of them weren’t such horrible cunts.
sorry to be nitpicky, but it’s only a 2-cycle, switzerland and france. but most of the countries get there via germany.
it would be interesting to look at the induced directed acyclic graph of the original graph’s connected components.
Most popular coloring is deceiving: It could mean 90% emigrate to that country or 10% do. Also this map totally neglects how many stay in that country.
To visualize the data completely (not on a map unfortunately) one could choose a chord diagram.
It just ends in a France Switzerland loop. I think you’re mistaking Austria for Switzerland.
i’m seeing three dominant patterns: the aussie funnel, the nordic maelstrom and the franco-swiss oscillator.
Germany really hard-carrying the Franco-Swiss oscillator.
‘Carrying’
Also one megatrend pattern that seem to lead away from Russia.
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Fuck Germany. I’m German. Honestly don’t go there if you have better choices. Not because I don’t want you here, you’re more than welcome. Because you’ll get milked. Germany is impoverishing your country with all sorts of tricks. Look back at the Euro crisis and what we did with Greece. Look at their massive export surplus which basically means we’re exporting deindustrialiuation to you. Look at what we did with the former GDR. Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
I agree. Merz is basically a total personification of this. All he has achieved in his time is to make the far-right popular again. I hate that guy!
Hitler would be crying right now…
…for more than one reason.
Fuck Germany and their capitalist class.
Yeah, under Orbán Hungary became an assembly service for German carmakers, who then wielded (probably still do) way too much economic influence over the country.
No, the sellout began way before Orbán.
True that. We didn’t have an actual left-wing government since 1989, even the supposed “left-wing” were actually neoliberals pandering to international corporations.
Looks like lots of young Europe hasn’t had this stuck in their head for a while.
For once, Germany is popular!
A bit too popular, as all the culture clash & other associated problems are giving right-wing extremists ammunition for their bullshit. At least so it seems to this distant American who lived there for several years decades ago.
Edit: sorry for my uninformed guess. I honestly have only very loosely paid attention to what’s going on over there as there’s more than enough BS at home drawing my attention. I just hate to hear of my favorite childhood place having similar problems.
IME, people from slavic countries aren’t really responsible for most of the culture clashes. Far-righters are mostly complaining about muslims and black africans, i.e. groups that are much more visible and far more culturally different.
Also, I’m not a fan of appeasement. IMO few would care about the far right if people didn’t have to deal with more tangible issues like absurd real estate prices, declining quality of social security systems + healthcare and the national government’s brazen corruption. Plus, massive online propaganda.
Oh, they hate Slavs too, they just hate muslims more. If they were to somehow get rid of the migrants they’d find the time for slav-bashing, believe me.
That argument means that nothing you do will make the farrighters disappear, other than legal and possibly violent suppression. I do think there’s some truth to that, but the fact that the farrighters aren’t even complaining (much) about slavs immediately invalidates the other commenter’s argument.
Good point. I’m only loosely aware of what’s going on over there, and honestly haven’t really put much thought into it. I just hate to see yet another piece of cherished childhood memories going down the tubes.
No, it is the inaction of politicians in general that is giving those people ammunition (figuratively and literally).
Ahhh, sorry to hear they’ve contracted a bad case of Americanitis.
The regions where the far right is most popular are also the regions with the least immigrants.
Lol the Swiss want to be French and the French want to be Swiss.
I suppose young french, would like to have better salary… young swiss just want to spend their money on good food, for once
I have not tried swiss food, but oof. Still, I have been to only two places which might be close to beating france in terms of average quality of food.
As a French, I have to say that their way of doing raclette is more expensive than ours but also tastes even better.
What’s the key difference? Can I try it at home?
The main difference is that they melt the cheese right off the wheel and they usually pair it with “grenaille” potatoes (basically a variety that’s really small, so they are kind of roasted when cooked)
You can try it at home but you need specialized equipment to melt cheese wheel chunks, over here you can loan them from some cheese shops, it looks like this:
When eating it in a restaurant they will usually do that in the kitchen and just bring the partly melted chunk at the table and scrape the melted cheese into your platter though.
To be honest I’m not sure that melting the cheese directly from the wheel changes the taste, as long as you’ve got good cheese, but it looks glorious, and looks are actually a big part of the culinary experience so I think it still plays a part.Also there’s kind of a dispute over whether that process actually comes from Switzerland or not IIRC, but it is more widespread there nowadays
Ohh, I don’t think I will buy the wheel holder thing, or a wheel of cheese for that matter, but I think I’ll try making that myself the simple way.
Thanks for taking the time to type that out, it was intriguing.
They actually sell Raclette appliances in German-speaking countries. They’re little square frying pans with a little grill you put them under. Raclette is sold pre-sliced for them. It’s not as fun as a big block of molten cheese but it’s a nice communal meal like a hotpot.
Yeah the swiss mostly want to stay swiss but a lot of people work at the french/swiss border
That’s a problem with this map, it only shows the most popular destination, not how popular that destination is or how many people actually leave.
The grass is always greener on the other side.
I mean this is for the few that want to leave. How likely is it for someone to put “Wants to move to their own country” in a survey?
I appreciate that Scandinavia doesn’t show a clear preference except for staying in Scandinavia
Russians to Kazakhstan? Is this voluntary emigration?
It’s because they’re the number one exporter of potassium
I would guess it was very different before the war started, but I can’t find a good source nor for this, neither for pre-2022 stats. Now there are at least some companies that moved to Kazakhstan because it was a relatively easy move
Most well educated young adults who emigrate do so for better wages. Shocker.
I live in Finland and we’re looking to moving into Sweden or Norway… It’s rough here. Everything is expensive, can’t get or afford healthcare, no jobs… We just want a little house and some simple jobs to barely sustain or little family, and to be able to go to the doctor if sick. Not possible in Finland at the moment or in the near future.
Isn’t healthcare free in Finland?
It used to be nice, it’s still nice if you’re dying. The big problem is getting there as some data suggests Finland now has by far the longest wait times to see a doctor in Europe. Current government implemented austerity measures combined with economic difficulties since the 90s recession that screwed us over.
Lol, no, not in any way. :DDD
Don’t expect it to be terribly different in Norway. If you are dying and/or need emergency care it is probably ok/good, but just your average healthcare is annoying at best and you have to beg for any kind of specialist treatment.
That’s honestly what I’m expecting.
well don’t go to sweden expecting better healthcare, the previous right wing government has been very busy ruining everything with privatization.
They have and it sucks but we still have decent health care. It’s just that the overhead is increasingly siphoned off to some tax haven.
It might still be better compared to not getting any… It’s not like we need help every week and so on. I got lots of family in Northern Sweden, and they all just say it’s all good and they get easily what they need and even can go to specialists fast. (Yes, on public side.)
not sure you want to use northern sweden as a good example, considering how there have been news articles about people having to drive for hours to give birth in a hospital because their local one closed…
I live in Northern Finland and the situation is the same or even worse here. Anything is an improvenement. I’m, we’re, not looking for perfection, just something livable.
Data source plz.
A poll of 50 students
/s
Brits on their way to leave the continent:
Well they don’t want to be in the EU
Brexit wasn’t good enough I see, they want to move the whole country to the mid-atlantic
Didn’t really expect people wanting to migrate into Poland.
No no, it’s honestly the most logical choice for people from Belarus. Similar culture, many already speak the language, Poland is rich in comparison to Belarus and everything is a beacon of freedom when compared to Europes last dictatorship.
I know plenty of young Finns that left to Poland in hopes of better life and they’re living the dream there… Yeah, wages are smaller, but so are living costs and all that too.
But then, of course, everybody is rich compared to Belarus.
Into the the largest and richest economy in the region (Eastern Europe)? Shocker, amirite?
Which one is it for Slovenia?
Austria would make sense
It’s probably Italy actually.
Czech Republic
That’s Slovakia. Slovenia is the one next to Italy without any flag. The color doesn’t match any other country.
Right you are, apologies.
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Least surprised - Turkey. I grew up there, oddly common to have a religious uncle living in Germany.
Most surprised - Russia. Kazakhstan??
