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wtf OP is pushing maoism, clear downvote.

EDIT: ah lol federation at it again, i totally didn’t realize i was on lemmy.ml

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where meme?

so in both cases, proton and mailbox, you have “less” snoopability, in the sense that they wouldn’t be able to snoop your stored mail retroactively. i am (in some sense naively) assuming “good” conditions here, such as that they don’t keep copies somewhere.

of course without actual e2ee there is always a way for a provider to snoop any incoming email if they wanted to.

actually, i was talking out of my ass a little. i am not sure itself how things work, i was under the impression that proton can’t access your clear text mails, once they are stored (of course, they can build backdoors that snoop when receiving mails, but we shall not assume this), similar to how mailbox.org allows you to have all incoming mails be immediately encrypted via your chosen pgp key, effectively having e2ee. i was under the impression proton did this automatically and stuff, i mean why else do you need to use their own apps for everything and to even use basic stuff like imap? but yeah i don’t know their setup exactly.

you are correct in being wary of self-hosting email, i cannot recommend it. a lot can go wrong. besides downtime (already pretty bad by itself) i have known cases of domains and/or server IPs being blacklisted/spamlisted on multiple big mailservers (microsoft, google) because of bad administration, effectively killing the self-hosted setup.

you would definitely want a static IP (as opposed to updating DNS entries all the time), a solid spam setup, and multiple failsafes, meaning not just data backup, but also mechanisms for preventing downtime like secondary machines. it really is only worth it if multiple people make use of it and you have multiple dedicated admins, in my opinion. but in that case, i think it can be very cool.

as others have pointed out, a good (and in some sense the canonical) option is to use something like mailbox.org with your own domain, or other providers, or even a webhosting package from netcup or hetzner or similar. these are all solid, and you have professional support.

side note: downside is, your data there is more snoopable, less so with something like proton. but that shouldn’t be your biggest worry, since emails always exist not just on your server, but also on the other side of the communication, and you have no guatantees for privacy there. e2ee (like pgp) is what you would need in that case.

nice “meme”