To be clear I never said anything about it being conscious. It’s more than possible for something to be intelligent and not conscious, what is typically referred to as a philosophical zombie. I really seriously hope you are right but I’ve been working in the field directly since 2020 and have my degree in computational mathematics. That’s to say I’ve seen things maybe others have not and have been paying close attention to the growth of this for a while. There’s currently no reason to assume development will halt. Now many implementations are more so useless toys, and right now that’s most people’s experience or awareness of what’s going on.
Most technology was seen as silly or useless at the beginning. Cars were nothing but novel toys for the wealthy. People couldn’t imagine them ever being useful, not like a horse and carriage. Don’t see what already is, see how things are growing and what direction they are generally heading and you will see what will be.
If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna”
Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology.
Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
If you are prompting this from an LLM i think you are suffering from “model gap” The lack of updated information out of llm models that were trained on data from last year: LLm development was exponential in it’s infancy, but we have reached far past that potential, right now the increments are becoming smaller and smaller until the energy costs and amount of data scraped become unfeasible for the returns.
The There are a lot of counterpoints to the Uyghurs argument, including historians and news media denouncing the claim as propaganda; But the thing is To me China is not even close to being the greater evil; With innocents in my country bombed by American military without due process; Constant election interference by American money and even the CIA got caught performing illegal operations in my country. I am not constantly worried about the Chinese. I am constantly worried about the Americans. If we are talking about cold war logic. American militarism, their openness to fascism and their eagerness to impose their will over the territory i inhabit makes me grateful that there are powers out there like China that might provide some political and economic opposition. China is important as a much needed counterweight to American hegemony. a “lesser evil”
As for the intellectual cuckoldry; I use that term for any intellectual operation that is entirely take over by an external agent. And to stay on topic I don’t need 600 billion dollars in data center infrastructure and all the water in the world to write these comments in my little tablet. and neither do you need all that infrastructure to use an open source model to do whatever you use ai for. Thus no need for data centers!
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates
To be clear I never said anything about it being conscious. It’s more than possible for something to be intelligent and not conscious, what is typically referred to as a philosophical zombie. I really seriously hope you are right but I’ve been working in the field directly since 2020 and have my degree in computational mathematics. That’s to say I’ve seen things maybe others have not and have been paying close attention to the growth of this for a while. There’s currently no reason to assume development will halt. Now many implementations are more so useless toys, and right now that’s most people’s experience or awareness of what’s going on.
Most technology was seen as silly or useless at the beginning. Cars were nothing but novel toys for the wealthy. People couldn’t imagine them ever being useful, not like a horse and carriage. Don’t see what already is, see how things are growing and what direction they are generally heading and you will see what will be.
If AI was really inevitable the large american conglomerates would not be pushing it so hard on the most common consumers. This shit is not making the money they were expecting. The behavior of the conglomerates is not that of finding a game changing tool; but of using their marketing push to establish their monopolies. I Don’t give a shit About your degree, you can use AI for whatever you want. If you have legitimate uses for it you don’t need to push it to everyone.
This technology is not a matter of national security for anyone. The americans will use AI as an excuse to kill innocents the same way they always found excuses for their nazi shit. And i don’t care about AI cold war coded races; I don’t want data centers or american monopolies attempting to take over the infrastructure of work and life where i live, just like i don’t want american politicians lobbying for who should the people in my country vote for.
Data centers need to be stopped from being constructed. AI businesses need to be scaled back. And if this is really a tool; then it should be treated as a humble tool instead of the grand narratives techbros keep pushing about it. You don’t need trillion dollar infrastructure to use machine learning in niche science applications.
There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna” Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology. Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
If you are prompting this from an LLM i think you are suffering from “model gap” The lack of updated information out of llm models that were trained on data from last year: LLm development was exponential in it’s infancy, but we have reached far past that potential, right now the increments are becoming smaller and smaller until the energy costs and amount of data scraped become unfeasible for the returns.
The There are a lot of counterpoints to the Uyghurs argument, including historians and news media denouncing the claim as propaganda; But the thing is To me China is not even close to being the greater evil; With innocents in my country bombed by American military without due process; Constant election interference by American money and even the CIA got caught performing illegal operations in my country. I am not constantly worried about the Chinese. I am constantly worried about the Americans. If we are talking about cold war logic. American militarism, their openness to fascism and their eagerness to impose their will over the territory i inhabit makes me grateful that there are powers out there like China that might provide some political and economic opposition. China is important as a much needed counterweight to American hegemony. a “lesser evil”
As for the intellectual cuckoldry; I use that term for any intellectual operation that is entirely take over by an external agent. And to stay on topic I don’t need 600 billion dollars in data center infrastructure and all the water in the world to write these comments in my little tablet. and neither do you need all that infrastructure to use an open source model to do whatever you use ai for. Thus no need for data centers!
Against photography:
“Could you find an honest observer to declare that the invasion of photography and the great industrial madness of our times have no part at all in this deplorable result? Are we to suppose that a people whose eyes are growing used to considering the results of a material science as though they were the products of the beautiful, will not in the course of time have singularly diminished its faculties of judging and of feeling what are among the most ethereal and immaterial aspects of creation?” ~Charles Baudelaire
Against writing:
“For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.” ~Socrates