I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.

I don’t think anyone is assuming it will stay at its current efficiency and there will be zero improvements. A lot of the everyday AI use cases will likely be pushed to someone’s personal device aka your phone. In the same way a lot of Uber and Spotify is handled by your personal device today. What we’ve seen for years now is the development of these gargantuan models that are then condensed down into much smaller models with 90%+ of the same effectiveness. Simultaneously we will see and are seeing devices sold with better NPU’s for edge compute for AI the same we’ve seen the push for more edge compute to manage other services such as Uber and Spotify.

Across this thread and others there’s like this implicit assumption AI will never progress beyond where it is right now in spite of the evidence of its almost exponential growth. It’s really interesting.

So proximity to an urban area is the difference between something being fine and something being bad? Out of sight, out of mind I guess.

Good luck, the majority of people don’t understand what’s happening and the other half who are barely entertaining it are so doubtful as to call anyone taking it seriously crazy but it is crazy what’s happening. Also you have multiple nations working on this so you would need a coordinated global offence that can break through the defence of the most powerful militaries on earth ideally simultaneously. I have doubts anyone is capable of what you’re saying.

I (alongside most in the field globally) think what will be developed will have quite serious implications. What’s already been developed is so threatening it isn’t and shouldn’t be released to the masses without serious safety regulations. There is a race between two adversaries aka US and China to achieve self improving AI first and solve the bottleneck of compute and power because whoever has the superior AI aka thinking machine will be able to outthink and out plan the other, not just now but in perpetuity.

Personally I seriously hope for humanity we’re all wrong. We are moving at a pace where I doubt we will solve the alignment problem and if this comes to pass and this thing isn’t more compassionate than us I have doubts we as a species will continue much further. What I’m saying isn’t fringe in the slightest, this is being taken seriously by that greatest in the fields of mathematics and computer science and particularly the individuals working on AI development, not to mention the leadership of dozens of nations who are privy to things the public is not.

So if I sound cultish then so do world leaders, renowned mathematicians, and computer scientists across the globe. Funny enough you’re kinda mirroring a discussion about climate change with an individual who was convinced the global community of climate scientists were in a cult or some sort of kabal.

Got anything besides my quotes to give your argument credibility?

I’m pretty sure a lot of them don’t know the difference or understand how mind breaking it is that some of these achievements are happening. Of course alpha fold is old news and the solutions to the Erods problems is something that should be raising eyebrows. These models are fundamentally just math and a model that’s better than humans at math can theoretically design a stronger model than us.

Yeah I guess one could do Tor over a VPN and that would do the trick.

As a programmer I can assure you there were plenty of bugs before AI and not all bugs now are AI caused. That said yeah we’re in the awkward teen years of AI. From 2015 to 2020 was like the baby years and people going “omg that’s amazing” and right now we’re in the “I hate everything and everyone” phase and it will emerge into either “omg the world is ending” or “this is utopia” or “alright thing is damn useful for good and bad endeavours”.

I don’t think the bunkers are to avoid bad financial decisions, more so to stave off something like rogue ASI or a biosphere collapse which in any circumstance won’t work in the long-run.

I’m still pretty new to Lemmy and the fediverse although I really enjoy it. I’ve noticed some strong dislike of anything and everything AI to the point I think it’s clouding some peoples ability to really see the situation at hand. That said I get a lot of people skepticism, a lot of AI projects are nonsense and things have been over promised. On top of that there’s the more than problematic issue of data centers and the environment. I think people don’t fully grasp how insane some of the achievements of neural nets are, how fast it’s developing, that having models that pretty much pass the Turing test was pure sci-fi just a few years ago, much less are solving legitimate mathematical conjectures as well as other hard problems in science.

Many applications are suboptimal to say the least but what’s been done with alpha fold and recently in mathematics is very far from a scam. Not to bring up what’s also been accomplished in cyber security. These models are proving open problems that have been around for decades and finding serious vulnerabilities. The issue is consistency and efficiency. Of course the other issue in making them stronger is continual learning and long horizon planning. I think too much investment came in too quickly and what is provided to the masses currently isn’t consistent or efficient enough. That said as a math and comp sci grad and someone who works in the field it’s been absolutely mind blowing to watch what’s already been done. In 2010 the concept of an artificial mind solving something like the Erdős unit distance conjecture would have been seen as pure sci-fi, maybe something we would achieve closer to 2100 than 2026.

For reference, it took Uber about 17 years to become profitable and Spotify 18. They were hemorrhaging cash for over a decade and a half before finally hitting their stride. As for the current AI development it’s honestly from 2017 when the white paper on transformers came out where shit started getting serious, so it’s been about 9 years since investors were serious. Before that point it was all passion projects, absolute moon shots as they call them.

Add some USB dead drops here and there like little geocaches. Maybe add some offline Wikipedia backups and other Zim files with a kiwix server. You could manage text, a file server, some web pages, possibly voip and maybe video calls. Sounds like a good time. What’s it called, meshtastic? I have some vague experience / knowledge but never set it up.

Depending on terrain and population density you might be able to cover a large area. I’ve seen small scale implementations for highly urban areas using Bluetooth.

12% is a lot less than I expected. I was thinking it would be like 40%+

Not long now until biometric login becomes necessary to access the human only part of the internet.

I have noticed a particular vibe here. I’m really into the mission statement of the fediverse and there’s not many other reddit duplicates on the fediverse. I get that there’s some sort of consensus here and that people generally dislike views aka will downvote people to hell the mob disagrees with. I do believe though there’s space here for differing opinions and amicable debate. It would be sad if it became just another lifeless echo chamber of a bunch of people who all agree with one another about everything.

For the most part I’ve appreciated our discourse. Obviously we disagree and that’s alright, in fact it’s refreshing. I hope you feel the same.

I’ve just started playing around more seriously and I bounce between cursor and Claude code in CLI. I’ll check out how chat behaves and sometimes random tools like blackbox.

You shifted to a private news network? There’s supposedly some really good ones with extremely niche music available.

And if you prefer the terminal there’s youtube-tui

Yeah, the Turing test has essentially been solved and at least in a digital format aka text, audio, video call it is now quite difficult to fully determine if what you are getting is from a human or a machine. I think it won’t be long now until there’s a push for a biometric verification for the web and the internet is essentially split into agents only, agents and humans, and humans only.