There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna”
Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology.
Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
If you are prompting this from an LLM i think you are suffering from “model gap” The lack of updated information out of llm models that were trained on data from last year: LLm development was exponential in it’s infancy, but we have reached far past that potential, right now the increments are becoming smaller and smaller until the energy costs and amount of data scraped become unfeasible for the returns.
The There are a lot of counterpoints to the Uyghurs argument, including historians and news media denouncing the claim as propaganda; But the thing is To me China is not even close to being the greater evil; With innocents in my country bombed by American military without due process; Constant election interference by American money and even the CIA got caught performing illegal operations in my country. I am not constantly worried about the Chinese. I am constantly worried about the Americans. If we are talking about cold war logic. American militarism, their openness to fascism and their eagerness to impose their will over the territory i inhabit makes me grateful that there are powers out there like China that might provide some political and economic opposition. China is important as a much needed counterweight to American hegemony. a “lesser evil”
As for the intellectual cuckoldry; I use that term for any intellectual operation that is entirely take over by an external agent. And to stay on topic I don’t need 600 billion dollars in data center infrastructure and all the water in the world to write these comments in my little tablet. and neither do you need all that infrastructure to use an open source model to do whatever you use ai for. Thus no need for data centers!
There is quite the gamble going on currently. Strong AI will happen, the problem now is the timeframe. Investors of course want it to occur on the timeframe of months, of financial quarters. In that timeframe even I feel unsure. In the timeframe of five or ten years it’s more likely. You also have essentially the entire field of mathematicians and computer scientists convinced and financial investors who quickly over leveraged themselves and are now beginning to get cold feet just before the big payout.
Now I think you’re not seeing the bigger picture. Cash is flowing in like crazy and not every investor is wise in where they’re putting it, that is tons of nonsense projects are being funded right now. Also we have major players taking different approaches. For example OpenAI has been more heavily focused on monetizing consumers whereas anthropic has seen this waiver and is now shifting more towards B2B. So you have a lot of competitors, a lot of which are nonsense projects all looking right now to return something so investors boots stop shaking but none of this is new. It took Uber 14 years before it started showing any profits. Spotify took 18 years to become profitable. In the meantime dozens of competitors died and so did their VC.
To add fuel to the fire of all this, China has been releasing very competitive open source models they spent tens of millions of dollars to train, not out of the kindness of their heart but in an attempt to stifle US AI development. This also allows tons of people without the means otherwise to edit the model into some essentially useless use case and pitch it to investors aka one of the big reasons there are ten thousand AI pop up companies and this isn’t more so in the hands of one or two AI labs.
This story about strong AI is just old propaganda; how strong? Wasting tons of electricity and water for 0.000000001 better models? Find a better promise for this technology.
So all your arguments are: “ai will get stronger” and “scary chayna” Are you parsing this through an LLM to repeat them over and over again? China has the right to defend themselves from American economic pressure; and i commend them for their great efforts in fighting against american restriction and economic terrorism. America loves to starve countries that they don’t like; Just look at what they are doing to Cuba. I also hope China takes the mantle of giving the world options for American corruption in means that are both economy and technology. Eventually the US will become so threatened by open source models they will start outlawing them. The push has already started but i don’t care because I don’t need AI at all. Why would i want to be an intellectual cuckold? why deskill myself?
The point stands; However intellectual cucks wants to use AI, they should go for local and open source models instead of wasting so many infrastructure, power and resources on bigger models. This technology needs to be humbled, scaled down. And yeah I’m rooting for china to become first world power and maybe give the United states menace and It’s lap dog israel some much needed discipline…
I think your assessment is not correct. Development has been more so exponential than incremental. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that was never under question. Maybe a counterpoint with china is the Uyghur people and the suspicious surplus of human organs for decades now. I think everyone will outlaw open source models. A small clandestine team of amateurs being able to create a pandemic level virus in a home lab is a legitimate concern. Intellectual cuckold? You could say the same for computers in general as they offload cognition in performing algorithms that were once done by hand, computer was a job title. Arguably your use of the device you’re writing these comments with is taking from you the intellectual burden of the algorithms it is performing of which you could do by hand if you desired.
If you are prompting this from an LLM i think you are suffering from “model gap” The lack of updated information out of llm models that were trained on data from last year: LLm development was exponential in it’s infancy, but we have reached far past that potential, right now the increments are becoming smaller and smaller until the energy costs and amount of data scraped become unfeasible for the returns.
The There are a lot of counterpoints to the Uyghurs argument, including historians and news media denouncing the claim as propaganda; But the thing is To me China is not even close to being the greater evil; With innocents in my country bombed by American military without due process; Constant election interference by American money and even the CIA got caught performing illegal operations in my country. I am not constantly worried about the Chinese. I am constantly worried about the Americans. If we are talking about cold war logic. American militarism, their openness to fascism and their eagerness to impose their will over the territory i inhabit makes me grateful that there are powers out there like China that might provide some political and economic opposition. China is important as a much needed counterweight to American hegemony. a “lesser evil”
As for the intellectual cuckoldry; I use that term for any intellectual operation that is entirely take over by an external agent. And to stay on topic I don’t need 600 billion dollars in data center infrastructure and all the water in the world to write these comments in my little tablet. and neither do you need all that infrastructure to use an open source model to do whatever you use ai for. Thus no need for data centers!