• kreskin@lemmy.world
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    16 days ago

    Both candidates were pro war. War is the top polluting activity humans do. People chose not to vote last time because we had absolutely miserable candidate choices, an undemocratic primary, and formal war crimes support from our own party. Anyone who wags a finger after that shenanigans and talks about climate in isolation from the rest of it is missing the forest through the trees.

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      15 days ago

      So, if anyone was wondering, this- is the bOtH siDEs psyop bullshit that you all hear about.

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        Yes. “Anyone who doesn’t vote for my party is a Russian psyop”

        SOUNDS REASONABLE

        All of the comments above your stupid one actually list reasons and justifications for people’s decisions.

        Care to elaborate? Or are you a Schumer bot? Blue maga? You here to scare people away from the scary working class reps?

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          is a Russian psyop

          Your words, not his. Plenty of troll factories and gullible groups around the world, but the money pours down from where it pours down.

          Both sides are not the same, one has been way worse for the environment than the other, the majority of this thread is rife with ignorance, plenty of it wilful. This thread might as well be called a theater.

          You are both-siding this and appealing to perfection as a solution, both common appeals used in manipulation, just like the majority of this theater is doing.

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            No, and you are ignoring all history and past elections as are all of the other DNC shills.

            There has ONLY BEEN PROGRESION TO THE RIGHT. The overtone window has shifted so far to the RIGHT because ymof you centrist fucks and your capitulating to fascists, that yes, both parties are fascist.

            Your stupid argument that both parties are not the same is not something people make. If you go to a party and you want a drink, and you can only have coke or a bottle of dasani water, you are drinking a coke product. You do not get a choice eve. Though they are different.

            We are at a point where we are literally running against cyberpedophile Nazis that are doing warcrimes, and establishing concentration camps and your “opposition party” is running on “restoring ACA tax credits”

            Since Im just a dumb American who doesn’t understand anything, can you please explain to me why the democratic party STRUGGLES to beat what I mentioned above?

            Why is their current platform not to “hold immediate trials for treason and warcrimes”, “dismantling concentration camps and locations missing migrants” " delivering free healthcare and education like 85% of Americans want" “taxing billionaires and corporations into submission”, “stopping support for the most hated country and leader in the world, Israel and Netanyahu”

            Please explain

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              What a garbage spew of accusations. This thread is about climate change, and it’s clearly you want to derail with a lot of baggage, which ironically enough, one side is still considerably worse than the other for each and every issue you try to shotgun with. I doubt you are American, and I doubt the why of each needs to be explained in anything other than an theathered echo-chamber.

              You are both-siding this and appealing to perfection as a solution, both common appeals used in manipulation, just like the majority of this theater is doing.

              Again, and again, and again, and again, and again …

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                This is exactly why I don’t argue with these kids. It’s a massive waste of time. you’ve far more patience than I have.

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                  I think you’re mistaken in thinking they are a child. I suspect it’s more like 3-5 psychologist sitting in a room thinking up the “perfect” response to drive their narrative.

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                  The last rebuttal with hard facts and links just made you spew a word salad of gaslighting while ignoring anything you were offered. I don’t have any hope for you, I’m just annotating for other readers caught up in the theater.

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                    Sorry reading is hard for you

                    You said people claim, “both sides are the same”

                    I said, “Your stupid argument that both parties are not the same is not something people make. If you go to a party and you want a drink, and you can only have coke or a bottle of dasani water, you are drinking a coke product. You do not get a choice eve. Though they are different.”

                    You said, “I was talking about climate change” and then quoted your own false claim about people both sides-ing the argument

                    Are you malfunctioning?

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          Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

          Nah, I don’t debate with dumbasses that say shit like “bLuEmAgA”. It’s beneath me.

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      War kills people and nobody pollutes less than a dead man 🤷

      But do you actually have a source for that? Because agriculture is the largest driver of ecological collapse and I’d be shocked if a handful of aircraft carrier emissions outweighs tons and tons of foods and goods being shipped.

      If anyone considers climate to be their highest priority, the choices weren’t even close to comparable. One was milquetoast green half measures that would kick the can a little further and one was nosedive everything off the cliff and irreversibly accelerate the climate catastrophe. If you stayed at home and were fine with the second choice you were flat out lying about your priorities.

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      Yeah, it’s a good thing both candidates were the same on every single issue, too, so there was literally no difference in picking between the fascist and the non-fascist. Fantastic job recognizing your duty to stick to one single issue where you feel they were the same!

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        One thing you’ll eventually have to come to terms with is that it’s the government of the USA that is and has always been fascist and that the two parties aren’t going to stop the fascism that they both manage and benefit from. Biden had the Epstein files and did nothing. You think the voters are gonna stop fascism when the candidates are all fascists and fascist defenders?

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          Probably the one that it can be said with certainty wasn’t going to:

          • Turn ICE into the gestapo and allow them to round up immigrants without due process, put them in concentration camps, and murder people with impunity.
          • Pack the supreme court with fascist friendly “justices” who immediately overturned Roe v. Wade
          • Weaponize the Justice department and use it against their political enemies … including attempting to strip a state representative of her citizenship for the crime of daring to oppose them as a non-christian woman of color.
          • Weaponize the FCC to control the dissemination of dissent and unflattering truth.
          • Do everything in the power to cripple and eliminate essential agencies and services, leading to countless preventable deaths
          • Eliminate consumer and worker protections via said defunding/elimination of agencies
          • Crow about America’s need for less dependence on other countries for goods that are critical to national security … while eliminating federal programs designed to secure domestic production of those goods.
          • Start an unwinnable war, raising the price of oil … and thus the price of everything
          • Open, widespread corruption
          • Take steps to remove separation of church and state in pursuit of a theocratic government.
          • Destroy every ounce of international good will we had, including trade deals
          • “Tariff” goods: raising prices drastically and pocketing the proceeds.
          • Intentionally create havoc in the national and global economy in pursuit of profit via insider trading and business deals for themselves and their allies.
          • Do everything possible to destroy protections for transgender and gender non-conforming people while bragging about “transgenderism isn’t going to be a thing” in the near future.
          • Drastically accelerate the scope and power of the surveillance/police state.
          • Rule with absolutely zero accountability or consequences.

          But hey, it’s not like we’re hearing the exact same “both sides aren’t that different” bullshit that was said in 2008, 2016, and 2020.

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            Do you notice how many of those hings that establishment Democrats may not have instituted but in no way are they speaking against it or planning to remove them?

            They wanted the ICE gestapo to only be 85% fascist, have t said a word about GETTING RID OF CONCENTRATION CAMPS just that they are “inhumane conditions”.

            You even complain about “ruling without consequences”, is that the conservative’s fault when your party REFUSES TO PUNISH THEM? the Epstein files showed that both parties partake in all of this, and all of our institutions and agencies allowed it. EVERY DEMOCRAT KNEW and no one ran on ANY of this being their priority and nothing was even leaked for campaigns. What does that tell you?

            “Pack the supreme court with fascist friendly “justices” who immediately overturned Roe v. Wade” Yep, they COULD have put in a progressive or “centrist neoliberal” judge but they never did, right? RBG was just too dumb and hard headed to replace with another progressive judge right? Woopsie, the fascists that you are so determined to compromise with lied and fucked us all over anyway. That’s what happens when there is WEAK opposition

            The literal plan that these fools can come up with during an existential crisis for our country is:

            “Restoring affordable care act tax credits”, “addressing affordability” and “holding the crooks responsible…”

            Those are their statements RIGHT NOW

            Out of all of the issues you mentioned. They have that weak ass statement, and a shitty 100 day plan that they came up with 30 DAYS before midterms. THEY ARE FASCISTS

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        15 days ago

        Here’s the rub:

        Most of these idiot kids are too young to vote anyway, and the rest are too stupid to recognize their own name on their mailer.