On OpenStreetMap, there’s an emergency=defibrillator object. It can be tagged with information like opening hours (e.g. if it’s inside a location that’s only open certain hours), a description of the location (“at the front desk”), etc.
For example, on the Android/iOS app OsmAnd, you can select ‘Defibrillator’ as a point of interest (POI) Additionally, choosing ‘Healthcare’ POI type will show not just hospitals, clinics, etc., but also AED locations.
Other emergency devices, like emergency phones, are also mappable.
Why YSK: quick access to defibrillators can save lives and significantly improve quality-of-life outcomes. The more complete this data is, the more useful somebody can actually expect it to be in an emergency. Even if the data isn’t queried during the emergency, seeing it on the map could help users know where they are ahead of time.
You should also know that using them is not scary. You can’t do it wrong if you follow the spoken instructions. It will not shock anyone if it’s not needed.
Imidiately starting CPR and using an AED improves the survivability of a stopped heart manyfold.
If you need one you can just grab one from the nearest place. Don’t bother asking. Don’t be scared of doing something wrong. It’s better than doing nothing.
I’m CPR trained with many recerts over the years. AEDs do everything for you, you just have to apply the pads in the correct spot (every AED has a visual diagram) and press the big button. They’re intentionally designed to be easy to use now.
Also, get CPR certified. Takes an hour or two at most and you could save a life.
Taps you on the shoulder…! Hey hey buddy are you okay!!! No response… proceeds to CPR. No response…you! Get me the AED!!!..continues CPR…you! Call 911!!!.. continues CPR.
To anyone reading this, this is actually what you do in a situation where there are people around. Due to the bystander effect, you have to call out to specific people to do these things.
CPR only works if it’s consistent, and you can’t stop until EMTs arrive. After you command people to do these, you ask if anyone else is trained in CPR. Not knows. Trained. And then tell them to sit across from you so they can take over if you exhaust yourself. CPR is tough if you do it right, but you’re keeping someone from dying.
Edit: To clarify, the trained portion is for legal liability. If you’re trained, your legal liability goes way down if something goes wrong.
Rather have people sort of remember how to do CPR than be clueless!
Depends where you live. Pretty sure here you need a code to open it which you can get while calling for an ambulance and they direct you to the nearest one.
It’s a mix here. Those in private businesses tend to be open and easy to grab. The ones in a box on a street corner are code locked.
I suspect it makes sense. The slight delay would be fairly minimal. You are likely on the phone to emergency services already.
It’s quite effective at stopping people messing with them however. Unfortunately, it only takes a few idiots to ruin things. Both thieves and bored teenagers could take an interest in them, and render them useless. A simple code lock makes it clear it’s not to be touched without need.
I’ve not looked closely enough to see if any have a “break glass” type access system as well.
Completely agreed! I’ve used a few in practice sessions and they are quite easy. The one thing to be aware of is that you do need to get the sticky electrodes in the right place. There is a simple diagram showing where they go. But you will need to get under their shirt and bra to place them, so make sure you’re not pulling down a strangers clothes for the wrong reasons.
But also, please rip off my shirt if it might save my life. I’d rather be immodest than dead.
AEDs STOP THE HEART. It’s up to you to restart with CPR afterwards
if you’re not confident in your CPR skills, do not apply an AED!
This is flat wrong. No CPR is worse than bad CPR. And an automatic AED gives instructions to continue CPR when it completes the shock.
If you are alone, CALL 911 while you are starting CPR. They will help you through it and give instructions as well.
Never never never dont do CPR because you are scared of doing it wrong
The Person is fucking dead right now crack their ribs its not gonna hurt unless they survive
Especially since you don’t even crack a rib usually. The cracking people here is often just the bones dislodging from the cartilage in the front of your chest. But even so a broken rib is better than dead I’d say.
I think you’re focusing on the wrong part here. Some people will not do CPR at all. And a lot of people think an AED will perform all the needed steps to resuscitate someone. If someone like that were to use an AED, they’re very likely to kill someone.
The AED has recorded instructions on what to do…
At this point we’re talking past each other, which is unfortunate. I’ve had first aid training including CPR and AED operation, plus a few refreshers over the years. It was always stressed that death was a near certainty if you don’t provide CPR at the right time. And someone expecting the machine to do it all, in a high stress situation typical of AED use, has a reasonable probability of failing to do, even when instructed by the device.
Yeah same. The lessons included saying that if the AED is not needed, it’s still safe to apply it.
It’s not “at the right time”, it’s "as soon as possible.
There might be a difference in AED features between countries, I’m in Ontario Canada and they are a single standard device.
@TheTechnician27@lemmy.world YSK that because of this post, I finally signed up a OSM account.
CoMaps makes it easy to add stuff.
PS: People in my area are apparently really good at mapping AED’s.
OSM mapping can be very fun, I started doing it more than half my life ago. :D Not just defibrillators, but lots of other things too!
How easy / intuitive is it to do on mobile (specifically iOS)? I’ve wanted to start for a while but the fear of making a mess and more work for volunteers has kept me from it so far.
I’ve been using Every Door on iOS and I’m pretty happy with it! I mostly add what I am sure about, eg missing shops or mark stuff that’s permanently closed. It’s really fun!
one thing to bear in mind is that you don’t have to meet some standard, it’s perfectly okay to ONLY map picnic tables if that’s what you’re comfortable with. In fact adding lots of small things like that is really useful, i mean just look at google maps: It’s just a sea of POIs (Points of interest) on a super desaturated background where you can barely even see the roads…
Most people just use maps to find specific things.I don’t use iOS, but have read that there are apps for it too. On Android there is something called StreetComplete that is specifically aimed at beginners.
Probably the easiest thing to do on mobile is to add or update nodes describing POIs. For example if a store or restaurant or post box or trash can is missing on the map, you can add that. You can use OsmAnd or, I think, also CoMaps for that.
According to its documentation, the app Go Map!! can pull from “quests” (small questions, like “are this store’s hours still up-to-date”) used by the beginner-friendly Android app StreetComplete.
IIRC it does this via an overlay. Keep in mind that Go Map!! is normally a fairly robust editor and kind of does this as a side hustle.
Organic Maps for Android and iOS shows defibrilators on map. Just search for “aed”.
I own a defibrillator.
How often is a battery replacement required?
4 years is what ours is rated for
That is better than I expected. I served as a first responder for a decade and ours were good for 2 years - but ours got used often enough on critical cases that they had to be sent out for data readouts, and we almost always got newer batteries back than what we sent. During my tenure I don’t think we actually did an actual battery replacement as a result.
Also, if you find points missing, please add them.
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Ooh, nice catch.
Thanks for telling me. Better start mapping those places with defib units.
MapComplete has a specific theme for mapping them
Is that like a fork of StreetComplete (or the other way around)? My problem with street complete is that it decides priorities for you in terms of what info to ask you for. Like I dont care much about reporting road surfaces and lane lines, but I’d really like to contribute to mapping of hiking/biking trails, and things like water sources. I know you can do that kind of thing via web interfaces, but I like the way street complete makes it easy in an app.
FYI, you can change what quests appear on StreetComplete (and their priority) at
Settings>Quest selection and display order. As for contributing to hiking/biking trails and water sources, what you’re able to do is going to be pretty limited on StreetComplete. StreetComplete is there to fill in some data to existing objects.That said, if there’s a type of quest that would fit StreetComplete but isn’t on there yet, they welcome requests.
Edit: I see the first part was already addressed in another comment. ^_^
It’s a completely different program I think.
BTW, streetComplete has an option to choose what missions you want.
Didn’t realize that! I just unchecked some of the things I don’t care as much about. Guess I could have just slid them down the priority list.
So to anyone with experience: we have one at each company branch but they’re behind your Gates. Would it still make sense to mark them from a first responder perspective even though you have to ring at the gate and explain your situation to gain access?
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As someone who works in emergency services, I can assure you that it is worthwhile. I’ve commented on other threads how many of our 911 agencies allow and/or even encourage dispatchers to use OSM as a tool to facilitate geolocating a caller, providing directions to responders in the field, and improving situational awareness. And that all comes as a result of the high quality and rich data that’s being contributed to OSM.
Then prove it with hard data.
Your “feelings“ do not equate to hard data.
Prove it with proof and evidence. show me statistics that prove what you claim.
Because after every statistical review over the last hundred years of reviews of statistical data, your claims do not bare out.
you want me to believe your claims? PROVE IT!
Edit: tantrums, tears, and downvotes are not proof, lol
I can’t figure out if you are hating on OSM or AEDs, but either one seems like an odd hill to die on. Particularly since neither of them are 100 years old.
So you admit that you don’t have proof.
Downvote me all you like, but I’m still right
Proof of what? I didn’t make any claims, I just stated that I can’t figure out if you are being mad about AEDs, OSM, or something else.
Ok, well, I guess I did claim that neither OSM or AEDs are 100 years old. Both of which are easy to verify as the computer necessary for OSM didn’t exist in 1926, and the first AED wasn’t invented until the late 1970’s according to Wikipedia.
Past that, what the fuck are you talking about?
after every statistical review over the last hundred years of reviews of statistical data, your claims do not bare out.
Can you link one of many statistical reviews that you are mentioning?
Right, like I have to prove common sense?
Lmao
… you literally claimed there’s hundreds of years of statistical proof.
Is it proof or is it common sense?
You’re a terrible troll, can’t even write a sensical comment.
Fallacy fallacy.
When logic escapes you, you have no one to blame but yourself
Hey man, I was saved by ER with aed because I live in Europe. In the US it wouldn’t have been in time.
So you do you, I can only recommend to know where they are.
On the other hand, you won’t care anymore if it’s too late.
Also: I am/was healthy, had nothing wrong with the heart and am in good condition, so it might as well be anyone.
Edit: why was the post we answered to mod deleted? I mean it’s not popular and kind of risky take but aren’t we here to discuss controversial opinions?
People do do meaningful things with it. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean anything.
Go ahead and do meaningful things with it.
And in 20 years, when you figure out something meaningful with that data, you let us all know. Go on and publish that study. 👍
👋 change the world 👋
You’re a terrible troll.
So sorry to disappoint you, lol
ok imma do meaningful things such as saving lives
I’ve got a phone app (PulsePoint Respond) that’s hooked in with local computer-aided dispatch systems so I’ll get alerts for nearby emergencies. They also have one that shows AEDs and other resources (e.g. narcan kits) from these registries. I’ve been the first trained person to arrive a few times and, though one was super obviously dead, it’s been a useful tool for getting the process started while EMS was on the way.
Congratulations to the one person on earth to whom this data is immediately useful. Really, all honors to you and all of your life-saving efforts. Cheers!
But to literally every other person on the planet (minus one or two), my previous statement stands. A single statistical anomaly does not invalidate what I said.
It’s a public app, anyone can install it. It does rely on local agencies being willing and able to connect it to their systems but that’s not a hard sell since the decision-makers tend to be receptive to the idea that more/faster help is better. https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/15/1/5 gets into some of the stats on incidents where it’s been activated if you’re interested.
Aaaaaand your tantrums and tears still are not proof
What?
Holy shit dude, who hurt you?
But knowing where an AED is when you need one is already useful, no? Why are you angry?
