Male gaze. Much like volleyball.
Volleyball athletes were multiple times offered less revealing clothing and denied them because it actually harmed their performance, compared to the current standard.
New efforts for streaming guidelines do limit certain close ups or angles, given the outfits, though.
Y’know if that were true and it actually did give an advantage, you’d think the men would be wearing something similar too. You got a citation?
In Olympic beach volleyball, women have several options. More than the men in fact:
The women can wear either a one-piece or two-piece bathing suit; shorts with sleeved or sleeveless tops; or a full body suit in cold weather. Due to the typically warm playing conditions, most opt for the two-piece. The men must wear shorts and a tank top. Players are allowed to wear hats and sunglasses.
https://www.nbcolympics.com/news/beach-volleyball-101-olympic-equipment
This absolutely ignores sponsorship pressures. Men get millions of dollars playing in full clothes. Women have to wear bikinis just to ensure a few thousand dollars “because it sells more tickets”. Choice or not, there are structural cultural norms that nullify the offer of alternatives. Misogyny doesn’t disappear just because you can choose different clothes.
https://www.today.com/news/why-do-women-s-beach-volleyball-players-wear-bikinis-today-t226134
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-do-women-beach-volleyball-players-wear-bikinis-olympics-2016-8
https://people.com/sports/beach-volleyball-olympians-react-bikini-controversy/
Female volleyball players have said over and over and over again “we wear bikinis because we want to.”
Great, none of the articles mention the issue of sponsorship or the gender aspect of bias in sports regulations.
By the way, it’s not cool to link without reading the articles.
Last month, bikini-wearing athletes again made headlines when the European Handball Federation fined Noway’s beach handball team for wearing shorts rather than the required two-piece bathing suits.
There are still problems with the lack of choice, why?
Ultimately, the 2016 FIVB uniform guide actually offers more options for women than it does for men […] who are stuck with a tank top and shorts as their only style choice.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to try to understand why this is this way?
“There are also certain times of the month that wearing a bikini isn’t always such a comfortable option, especially when you’re on TV.”
Interesting testimony. Should we actually ask a follow up question to the person who said this to hear her opinion about why being on TV is a factor…Nope, too late, narrative is done, article is over.
Like, seriously, I’m not talking about infantilizing women or restraining options. Quite the opposite. I’m talking about turning your damn brain on and actually look at the world with curiosity beyond the common places of thought terminating memes, cliches and manufactured narratives. It’s not hard as long as you are focused on actually having healthy discussions instead of being obsessed with being right on the internet (the worst kind of right).
I read all the articles. That lack of choice in handball and other sports should be addressed, and I hope it is soon. But in Olympic beach volleyball athletes have the choice and many choose to wear bikinis.
I’ve never heard of a female athlete saying anything like “I feel pressured to choose more revealing uniforms because of sponsorships or cultural expectations from males.” If you have, I’d love to see it. I have seen a bunch say that they prefer them, given the choice.
Olympic swimming is the opposite though, women are allowed to wear full suits, men aren’t allowed to wear anything above the navel.
Which begs the question. If the most efficient equipment to use is a full suit (remembering here the snark skin controversy), why are men not allowed to wear it, but women are.
It is absolutely arbitrary and based on historical gender biases. But that is too complex for some idiots to digest.
I don’t understand this infantilizing of women. At least half the women at the gym and yoga studio are in sports bras.
Should I tell them they are victims of male gaze and the tyranny of sponsorships, and they would be happier if they covered up more?
Or are they adults who can dress themselves?
No, why would you do that? It is extremely rude to comment on a person’s body unprompted. They get to choose whatever they want to wear. That doesn’t erase the reality of social pressures or its relevance when discussing genre politics.
You’re missing the point.
They’re adults. Treat them as such.
Since 2012, yes I’m aware. But that does not address anything I said.
It literally is the citation you asked for, dingus
and denied them because it actually harmed their performance, compared to the current standard.
The part I responded to by saying "Y’know if that were true and it actually did give an advantage, you’d think the men would be wearing something similar too. " Your link says absolutely nothing about it being a competitive advantage - did you respond to the wrong person?
That’s irrelevant. The point is they have a choice, and many choose to wear two pieces. Whether it’s because they feel like they play better, or it’s comfort, or even if they simply just like how they look. They’re allowed to wear shorts and tank tops if they want.
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Some males want to wear the skirts too.
Maybe I guess I am sarcastic but a female using a club to hit a ball. Does not really draw my engine up. Maybe it is the whole club hitting a ball thing.
The PGA bans shorts and the LPGA’s dress code doesn’t. There’s more to it (why are the dress codes this way, historically?) but that’s a simple answer to your question.
Fun fact Augusta national which is home to the Masters tournament didn’t allow its first African American as a member until 1990 and the first woman until 2012 and the woman was Condoleezza Rice
That some kinda mexican dish?
No just a really stupid bitch who loved waterboarding people
I think it’s BS, and the primary reason I don’t play in the PGA.
They’re called skorts. They’re simultaneously useless, goofy-looking, playful and ridiculously fun to wear.
Everybody should try on them at least once.
They should make skorts for men.
There are no gender requirements for skorts. You can just buy them and wear them.
Very true, however we live in a society where it is highly frowned upon. I don’t think i’m brave enough to wear skorts in public. Maybe some day, idk.
There’s a part of town that’s gay enough for you to wear pretty much anything
True, but then I get hit on by men which isn’t the goal. Yes, that’s likely to happen anyway but I don’t see why I should go out of my way to go someplace where it’s almost guaranteed. Yes, I’m very aware that’s a me problem.
Ye, but if getting hit on by men wasn’t danger-coded or gross, it would be less of a deterrent. You don’t have to blame yourself.
If getting hit on by men is the only problem we’ve got to find you a supportive lesbian friend group or bar where you can try on pretty dresses (I think they’re called drag clubs)
Lol, thanks. That made my day.
Just get it in plad and call it a kilt.
I like kilts too. The kilts have pockets too.
i mean they are shorts so i’d imagine they’re pretty liable to get uncomfortable, as they’re presumably not designed with magnum dongs in mind.
But then again i assume they’re generally stretchy so maybe it’s fine…
Because wearing an inflatable dinosaur costume would interfere with their range of motion.
The patriarchy… Seriously.
Cause they won’t let the men wear skirts too the sexists.
A lot of golf courses used to be mens only, and the ones who did let women on the field had strict dress codes. Going as far back to Victorian times women had to have specific Golf dresses, corsets, crinolines, bustles, and multiple petticoats.
So a lot of it is based on social mores surrounding both class and sex. Even after dress codes loosened in the modern age, the culture of golf tends to be immersed in the social normative of the upper class.
Personally I actually think class has more to do with it than sexism in general. For example the first professional woman to play golf in slacks was in 1933, while the first black professional golfer was allowed in the PGA in 1967.
Then again the dynamics between social norms in sex and class are dynamic and inseparable.
I feel like if all the world’s gold course and clubs burned to the ground overnight and were never rebuilt that there would be negligible impact on humanity.
imagine if it was all turned into botanical gardens
I like your style
Personally I actually think class has more to do with it than sexism in general. For example the first professional woman to play golf in slacks was in 1933, while the first black professional golfer was allowed in the PGA in 1967.
It’s weird that you keep saying only “class” when you mean both class and race. Yes, they’re correlated, but they’re not the same and both really are at play here.
It’s weird that you keep saying only “class” when you mean both class and race.
Up until very recent history class and race were inseparable constructs. Even now you could legitimately argue that even the wealthiest black members of society are not truly part of the ruling class in western society.
During the time periods and activities we were discussing assuming that race is part of class is perfectly reasonable. Specifically when it comes to dress codes class is going to be more of the focus.
Because old men make the rules on most golf courses.
Sex.
It sells.
Men wear golf shorts to golf all the time. The fit is generally looser, just like the golf polos, though.
“Jesus Christ, Barry! You’re 79 years old! Yes, your balls hang out the bottom of your shorts! Now put 'em away before someone tries to see if they can get a birdie!”
Whack! pained moleman noises
I mean golf is almost entirely just a rich Old white man’s game.
They’ve deigned to allow other leagues to happen, but “damnit if women are gonna play, they have to be pleasing to the eye”.
What are you talking about? Many women wear pants, but they have more options so some of them wear skirts ,or shorts, or ‘skorts’… men don’t wear anything but pants because they will lose every sponsor in a matter of minutes. Somehow men having fewer options than women/been told what to wear is men’s fault and patriarchy or whatever, idk. Kinda ironic given that, iirc, it was invented in Scotland.
The men should wear the short skirts too. I volunteer to be first. I’ve never played golf though.
Misogyny
Because they picked it out that morning.
