They know it’s depressing and immoral but they rationalize it to themselves because they know it brings lots of high paying jobs with low educational requirements and activity to their region.
Data centers on the other hand are only take and no give. There aren’t many local staff needed, it doesn’t require that much cleaning and security that don’t pay that well, the one or two high paying jobs are specialized and shipped from another state probably, the construction companies are likely to be mostly from outside the county, and the center will be a draw on local resources to serve AI workloads everywhere else in the world.
And when another nation achieves AGI / ASI first we will know we probably shouldn’t have let the opportunity slip by if only to have the capacity to defend ourselves in the scenario their AI goes rogue. The problem with trying to defend yourself against a thinking thing that can outthink you is that you are in essence a thinking thing trying to outthink it except it can outthink you.
If this technology is that much of a threat, I have a much better idea. How about we gather up every single person involved in its creation, line them all up against a wall, and shoot them.
You don’t build your own planetary suicide machine to prevent someone else from building one. If that sort of thing really is possible, you just shoot anyone trying to build the damn thing.
Good luck, the majority of people don’t understand what’s happening and the other half who are barely entertaining it are so doubtful as to call anyone taking it seriously crazy but it is crazy what’s happening. Also you have multiple nations working on this so you would need a coordinated global offence that can break through the defence of the most powerful militaries on earth ideally simultaneously. I have doubts anyone is capable of what you’re saying.
AI can be a useful tool no doubt and has cool and harmful applications. But let’s not be delusional about it and anthropomorphize AI. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t go rogue. It’s a non-deterministic phrase guessing algorithm. I’ve tried chatbots, thing generators, had a friend try coding tools, ran my own models, and I find parts of it impressive and useful in some respects, but at this moment, I don’t really buy the narrative that it’s going to change everything or fix the limitations I see with transformers-based AI models. The best description of it I heard was a lossy compression algorithm, it can take a lot of knowledge and compress it but there are artifacts, hallucinations and weird stuff sometimes coming out the other end.
I’m not against AI itself per se, but I’m very much against the bubble hype-cycle, techbros being locked into a strange belief that pumping money into this thing forever is somehow going to go take over the world on its own volition. On the contrary, my understanding is corporate greed and capitalism is already accomplishing that - firing the workers, concentrating wealth and controlling the world - no matter how much AI is cited as the reason for any of that.
That would be nice if you were correct. I’ll give an example, neurons don’t think, even large bundles of neurons don’t think, they just respond to stimulus in relationship to their training. They are non-deterministicly guessing based on past experiences.
Now as for AI not having novel or unplanned behavior, I’m guessing you’ve never tried training one or interacting with one long enough.
Humans are the dominant lifeform on earth because humans are the most intelligent. What happens if that is no longer the circumstance? There are already glimpses of AI providing mathematical proofs that are currently unverifiable, and not because they are necessarily incorrect, but because it is beyond us currently.
The US or China, pick your poison. At least as of now I can go outside or online and say whatever I want in the US so long as it isn’t slander, liable, or a threat of violence. I’m not sure I can do the same in Bejing.
AI can’t deal with things that happen to the physical machines. It cannot protect itself from somebody hitting power buttons on the servers, or just cutting the power altogether, or fire, or other “acts of god” so to speak.
What’s your timeframe? Currently yes, will that forever continue to be the case particularly if it becomes as or more intelligent than us? I have doubts. This is a well known problem
We have mayors and folks courting GEO group to run private prison and detention camps in their town…
They know it’s depressing and immoral but they rationalize it to themselves because they know it brings lots of high paying jobs with low educational requirements and activity to their region.
Data centers on the other hand are only take and no give. There aren’t many local staff needed, it doesn’t require that much cleaning and security that don’t pay that well, the one or two high paying jobs are specialized and shipped from another state probably, the construction companies are likely to be mostly from outside the county, and the center will be a draw on local resources to serve AI workloads everywhere else in the world.
And when another nation achieves AGI / ASI first we will know we probably shouldn’t have let the opportunity slip by if only to have the capacity to defend ourselves in the scenario their AI goes rogue. The problem with trying to defend yourself against a thinking thing that can outthink you is that you are in essence a thinking thing trying to outthink it except it can outthink you.
If this technology is that much of a threat, I have a much better idea. How about we gather up every single person involved in its creation, line them all up against a wall, and shoot them.
You don’t build your own planetary suicide machine to prevent someone else from building one. If that sort of thing really is possible, you just shoot anyone trying to build the damn thing.
Good luck, the majority of people don’t understand what’s happening and the other half who are barely entertaining it are so doubtful as to call anyone taking it seriously crazy but it is crazy what’s happening. Also you have multiple nations working on this so you would need a coordinated global offence that can break through the defence of the most powerful militaries on earth ideally simultaneously. I have doubts anyone is capable of what you’re saying.
AI can be a useful tool no doubt and has cool and harmful applications. But let’s not be delusional about it and anthropomorphize AI. It doesn’t think. It doesn’t go rogue. It’s a non-deterministic phrase guessing algorithm. I’ve tried chatbots, thing generators, had a friend try coding tools, ran my own models, and I find parts of it impressive and useful in some respects, but at this moment, I don’t really buy the narrative that it’s going to change everything or fix the limitations I see with transformers-based AI models. The best description of it I heard was a lossy compression algorithm, it can take a lot of knowledge and compress it but there are artifacts, hallucinations and weird stuff sometimes coming out the other end.
I’m not against AI itself per se, but I’m very much against the bubble hype-cycle, techbros being locked into a strange belief that pumping money into this thing forever is somehow going to go take over the world on its own volition. On the contrary, my understanding is corporate greed and capitalism is already accomplishing that - firing the workers, concentrating wealth and controlling the world - no matter how much AI is cited as the reason for any of that.
That would be nice if you were correct. I’ll give an example, neurons don’t think, even large bundles of neurons don’t think, they just respond to stimulus in relationship to their training. They are non-deterministicly guessing based on past experiences.
Now as for AI not having novel or unplanned behavior, I’m guessing you’ve never tried training one or interacting with one long enough.
I mean this honestly. Get help. You sound deranged.
Humans are the dominant lifeform on earth because humans are the most intelligent. What happens if that is no longer the circumstance? There are already glimpses of AI providing mathematical proofs that are currently unverifiable, and not because they are necessarily incorrect, but because it is beyond us currently.
To believe all of this and then want the United States government to get this tech is unreal.
The US or China, pick your poison. At least as of now I can go outside or online and say whatever I want in the US so long as it isn’t slander, liable, or a threat of violence. I’m not sure I can do the same in Bejing.
The president has labeled me a terrorist 3 times over in the last month.
In China would you still be alive?
You have truly drank the koolaid on the anti Chinese propaganda.
AI can’t deal with things that happen to the physical machines. It cannot protect itself from somebody hitting power buttons on the servers, or just cutting the power altogether, or fire, or other “acts of god” so to speak.
What’s your timeframe? Currently yes, will that forever continue to be the case particularly if it becomes as or more intelligent than us? I have doubts. This is a well known problem