I don’t disagree, but it’s hard to think of many states that are still around today that haven’t done evil shit. If you’re against the idea of uneven trade and exploitation of developing countries, it’s probably not impossible to find a moral state.

Cool. A federated Discord might be the easiest solution. If you’re gonna self host I’m not sure why you wouldn’t just use teamspeak, though.

Fluxer is just Discord 2 and likely to go the same way. The website changed pretty quickly but there was an older version talking about monetization models and what was basically Nitro by another name.

If people are serious about wanting to ditch Discord, the answer is going back to decentralized systems, not replacing Discord with a nearly identical app that has the same vulnerability to the owners getting greedy.

Well obviously I’m hinting at an… extralegal solution to the problem. But I doubt anyone would up and do it.

With the way people feel about animal cruelty, the guy will be fortunate if he doesn’t end up in that field himself, if he turns out to have been getting his rocks off by murdering dogs entrusted to his care while taking public funds for their care.

But then again, I would’ve said the same about child cruelty but you look around and see all these nutjobs protecting pedophiles so maybe I’m off base.

Hopefully they can account for all of the dogs being dug up and discovered. I was under the impression cremation was standard for euthanized animals. Certainly, all of my family’s dogs and cats were cremated when they passed. I suppose that might be expensive if they don’t have some sort of agreement with a local crematorium and lack an incinerator on site.

Randomly burying dogs in unmarked graves just seems sketchy, though.

You don’t see an issue with a no-kill shelter, which takes in funding because it’s a no-kill shelter, killing the animals under their care?

Yes. If being evil was what defined whether a nation was failing, I’m pretty sure the world would have nothing but failed states.

How can you possibly believe that morality has anything to do with whether or not a state is stable?

And you could have looked up information instead of vomiting nonsense everywhere but instead we’re here.

I just figured that since you’re such an obvious expert on the subject, you’d just know.

They’re all positioning for government bailouts anyway. Whether Trump or a neoliberal lickspittle, they know they’re pretty much covered. All of the important c-suite people will be perfectly fine.

Well, a consumer giving you $350 for a RAM set is cash in hand. The contracts with hyperscalers are all IOUs until the contracts are actually fulfilled aren’t they? At what point does actual money, not the promise of money, transfer from buyer to seller?

Aren’t the data center deals only finalized and paid upon actual completion of the project? Like that’s part of what makes the AI thing a bubble - companies are trading IOUs. I pinky swear to buy these chips once I have the data centers to house them in and the data centers have the power, water, etc from local infrastructure needed to operate and you pinky swear you’ll have the actual physical goods available at that time to fulfill that order.

What happens if a large amount of these pinky swears, which inflated stock prices are built on top of, fall through?

Or you could just make a waifu gacha game that people install freely because, dude: anime tiddies! And it requires kernel level anticheat because you definitely don’t want people getting their waifus and husbandos for free.

I don’t know that any of that is or could be connected to spyware, but it seems like if I wanted to orchestrate some kind of hidden state sponsored spyware network, targeting the gooners that will voluntarily install software on their phones and computers would be a lot simpler than hiding shit in RAM.

Your comments are impressively unpopular. It’s really rare that I see comments downvoted into double digits given Lemmy’s small size.

Have you maybe considered you’re just wrong?

Doing those things didn’t result in the nation failing. Being evil doesn’t mean a nation is failing.

I was trying to point out the fallacious reasoning you’re operating under but you apparently come into discussion threads to talk about things that aren’t the subject of the thread so you do you, champ.

Slavery has existed since antiquity. That’s my fucking point. You can do this “the actual original evil was X!” shit forever, because humans have been monsters to each other since the time of Sumer. Slavery, rape, genocide, it’s all there because some rich asshole wanted more.

I’m not disputing the horrible acts of America or the colonists and explorers that predate it. I’m saying that your line of reasoning isn’t useful here and just distracts from the topic of discussion.

You’re not wrong. But that line of reasoning is literally without end. You’re essentially talking about the problems that are caused by formal, enforced hierarchies.

Democracy is fucking trash. Genuinely awful way to run things because it requires that the people be both educated and motivated about their civic duty and fails catastrophically if that stops being true.

But it’s still way better than anything else we’ve tried, or at least better than anything we’ve tried that can scale to needing to manage millions or billions of people.

America isn’t failing, it has already failed.

People so fucking unwilling to face reality, for any number of reasons. No one likes to admit that their actions or lack thereof might make them in some way culpable.

The cancer’s been in us since Reagan. The Bushes, Clinton, fucking Obama didn’t do shit about it because they were profiting from it. Just like they still don’t actually care, because they’re part of the owner class. They ain’t the ones at risk from any of the insanity in the world. Their wealth, status, and privilege protect them.

Trump wasn’t the cause of this. He’s just the point at which the cancer had metastasized to the point it couldn’t be ignored. Maybe we’d have survived if Biden hadn’t been such a drizzling, spineless shit of an administration. Radical surgery and treatment might have been able to bring us back from the brink. Weakened, damaged, diminished, but able to recover if we hold to a new way of living.

Trump 2 was us deciding as a nation to be the smoker with COPD and two heart attacks lighting up another smoke.

Biden refusing to make examples of the ringleaders of the Jan 6 coup attempt - the congresscritters, media personalities, and yes fucking Trump himself - sent a message that was heard loud and clear. Treason’s okay. If the leaders of the coup had been charged and tried for treason, with all that entails, then maybe it would have caused the cult to wither. Because it’s not just the dumb, poor cultists you need to go after, you gotta get the leaders too. Cults can’t survive without their leaders.

But maybe if Obama hadn’t been such a spineless fucking coward, we wouldn’t have been here. Whip your stupid party into shape, run roughshod over any wet pants senator or representative that tries to get in the way of delivering on those promises of aid programs for the people, tell Glitch to pound sand and just bypass Congress entirely and appoint Garland to the SCOTUS if Congress refuses to do its fucking job. Because the failures of neoliberalism set the stage for a fascist populist to take over. People wouldn’t buy into that messaging if they were happy.

But there’s no coming back from the kinds of damage Trump has done, both domestically and abroad. The damage that piece of shit Musk did with DOGE will be paying dividends for years, let alone what his little Hitler Youths were doing by stealing social security data and selling it off to Palantir.

America’s dead. People need to stop being stupid and accept it.