no, im a linux user. if someone doesnt want to dedicate time to adopt and learn, linux isnt “easier”. even if linux was as easy as windows (idk it can even be compared tbh); its different. different requires time and effort, if someone cant do that (for any reason, this isnt a judgement), its not an easy move.
My wife is not technical and has no interest in adopting and learning anything.
The web works the same way regardless of the OS, and LibreOffice has all the same features as Word that she uses.
The “hard part” is choosing and upgrading hardware, and maybe installation (depending on distribution).
I mention this because I think we should evaluate these differently. With a preloaded desktop/laptop, I’ve had no issues with anyone that actually relates to Linux (except my BIL who was trying to build an arcade stick for gaming).
Explaining to my other BIL how to select hardware for his custom build, that took some time, as did guiding him through the installation.
If someone is already informed enough to care about having a local account under Windows, seek out ways to circumvent the normal account procedure and feels comfortable applying edits to the registry, I think they have already excluded themselves from the category of people who are unwilling to invest time and effort to get their computer/OS running how they want.
What you wrote may apply to the general public, but not for the circumstances discussed in the post you’re replying to.
You need to dedicate time to adopt and learn how to get a local account on Windows and clear out the bullshit you don’t want.
I recently switched to Linux. At first I was surprised at how easy it was to set up and get working, then I was annoyed at having to look up how to do every little thing I know how to do on Windows and considered switching back.
Then I booted into Windows and in less than 10 minutes was fed up the whole OS. I realized I had to look up things just as often as I was on Linux, but in Linux it was because I didn’t know where it was, where as on Windows it was actively hidden from me and fighting me every step of the way.
Windows is in no way easier, It’s just the struggle you’ve gotten so used to fighting with every single day that you’ve forgotten it exists.
Then I booted into Windows and in less than 10 minutes was fed up the whole OS. I realized I had to look up things just as often as I was on Linux, but in Linux it was because I didn’t know where it was, where as on Windows it was actively hidden from me and fighting me every step of the way.
Windows is in no way easier, It’s just the struggle you’ve gotten so used to fighting with every single day that you’ve forgotten it exists.
I’m not even going to sugarcoat it, Windows treats you like you’re a freakin’ idiot, and that applies to all SKUs, although the Home SKU is the absolute worst of the bunch about treating its users like they’re too dumb for their own good.
Linux, and also BSD too for that matter, at least actually respects its users’ intelligence, because Windows sure as hell doesn’t.
and i also say this as someone who is required to use windows at work. i despise windows, its so much harder for me to use windows given linux been my daily driver for a long time. im annoyed at powershell, explorer, clunky shortcut behaviors, etc just about every second im on windows. its a nightmare difficulty for me, but i also refuse to ever relearn windows stuff. i do remember a time when it wasnt annoying as fuck to use, could be nostalgia or that people just adopt.
using windows as a linux user is a nightmare. but if someone is adopted to windows, the opposite is gonna be similar no matter what.
I also use windows for work.
Shits stupid. Search in the start bar for an app that’s installed on your PC? Let’s open edge and show you web results.
Want to copy something out of teams? Here’s a copilot link you just accidentally clicked.
Thanks for accepting that TOS.
I’d love some say on my work computer but alas I’m a grunt.
I’d love some say on my work computer but alas I’m a grunt.
Not a grunt, but still run my work laptop like I am one. I use it exclusively for teams, outlook, office, etc, and nothing else work related though since I can still save to our (non-MS) cloud environment thanks to rclone. Which technically meets the criteria - which has nothing to do with the fact that I wrote the criteria. Totally unexpected benefit! Didn’t plan it that way at all. Nope, it was 100% because one of the partners will only use a mac. Promise.
Ah, assurance of compliance (pinky swear promises) over usability.
I once had to use a windows laptop that had to be stored in a safe when I wasn’t using it, could only use it in a room that was keyed entry (also where the safe was). But the firewall config was practically wide open, and it had direct access to the internet. I couldn’t even change it to be more secure. Ended up not connecting it to a network at all and just sneakernetting a thumb drive around so I wouldn’t risk catching blame if something got out.
Edit: Yes, a thumb drive. That wasn’t blocked either on this “hardened” system.
I’ve been using Ubuntu on multiple PCs for years. If you think installing and learning a beginner-friendly distro is quicker or easier than running a massgrave script then you are genuinely clueless.
Linux is easier to use than trying to registry hack your way into a local account.
no, im a linux user. if someone doesnt want to dedicate time to adopt and learn, linux isnt “easier”. even if linux was as easy as windows (idk it can even be compared tbh); its different. different requires time and effort, if someone cant do that (for any reason, this isnt a judgement), its not an easy move.
My wife is not technical and has no interest in adopting and learning anything.
The web works the same way regardless of the OS, and LibreOffice has all the same features as Word that she uses.
The “hard part” is choosing and upgrading hardware, and maybe installation (depending on distribution).
I mention this because I think we should evaluate these differently. With a preloaded desktop/laptop, I’ve had no issues with anyone that actually relates to Linux (except my BIL who was trying to build an arcade stick for gaming).
Explaining to my other BIL how to select hardware for his custom build, that took some time, as did guiding him through the installation.
If someone is already informed enough to care about having a local account under Windows, seek out ways to circumvent the normal account procedure and feels comfortable applying edits to the registry, I think they have already excluded themselves from the category of people who are unwilling to invest time and effort to get their computer/OS running how they want.
What you wrote may apply to the general public, but not for the circumstances discussed in the post you’re replying to.
You need to dedicate time to adopt and learn how to get a local account on Windows and clear out the bullshit you don’t want.
I recently switched to Linux. At first I was surprised at how easy it was to set up and get working, then I was annoyed at having to look up how to do every little thing I know how to do on Windows and considered switching back.
Then I booted into Windows and in less than 10 minutes was fed up the whole OS. I realized I had to look up things just as often as I was on Linux, but in Linux it was because I didn’t know where it was, where as on Windows it was actively hidden from me and fighting me every step of the way.
Windows is in no way easier, It’s just the struggle you’ve gotten so used to fighting with every single day that you’ve forgotten it exists.
I’m not even going to sugarcoat it, Windows treats you like you’re a freakin’ idiot, and that applies to all SKUs, although the Home SKU is the absolute worst of the bunch about treating its users like they’re too dumb for their own good.
Linux, and also BSD too for that matter, at least actually respects its users’ intelligence, because Windows sure as hell doesn’t.
and i also say this as someone who is required to use windows at work. i despise windows, its so much harder for me to use windows given linux been my daily driver for a long time. im annoyed at powershell, explorer, clunky shortcut behaviors, etc just about every second im on windows. its a nightmare difficulty for me, but i also refuse to ever relearn windows stuff. i do remember a time when it wasnt annoying as fuck to use, could be nostalgia or that people just adopt.
using windows as a linux user is a nightmare. but if someone is adopted to windows, the opposite is gonna be similar no matter what.
I also use windows for work. Shits stupid. Search in the start bar for an app that’s installed on your PC? Let’s open edge and show you web results. Want to copy something out of teams? Here’s a copilot link you just accidentally clicked. Thanks for accepting that TOS.
I’d love some say on my work computer but alas I’m a grunt.
Not a grunt, but still run my work laptop like I am one. I use it exclusively for teams, outlook, office, etc, and nothing else work related though since I can still save to our (non-MS) cloud environment thanks to rclone. Which technically meets the criteria - which has nothing to do with the fact that I wrote the criteria. Totally unexpected benefit! Didn’t plan it that way at all. Nope, it was 100% because one of the partners will only use a mac. Promise.
(I’m sorry about your laptop)
Haha it happens. I work for a medical software company so they are terrified of HIPPA fines.
So it is what it is. :/
Ah, assurance of compliance (pinky swear promises) over usability.
I once had to use a windows laptop that had to be stored in a safe when I wasn’t using it, could only use it in a room that was keyed entry (also where the safe was). But the firewall config was practically wide open, and it had direct access to the internet. I couldn’t even change it to be more secure. Ended up not connecting it to a network at all and just sneakernetting a thumb drive around so I wouldn’t risk catching blame if something got out.
Edit: Yes, a thumb drive. That wasn’t blocked either on this “hardened” system.
Nah, these “hacks” are very easy. Easier than installing and learning even the most basic of Linux distros.
Tell me you haven’t even tried
…?
Without telling me you haven’t tried
Haven’t tried what…?
You haven’t installed and learned the most basic Linux system
I’ve been using Ubuntu on multiple PCs for years. If you think installing and learning a beginner-friendly distro is quicker or easier than running a massgrave script then you are genuinely clueless.
Nope, Windows is annoying and slow to install.