Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren’t really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others?
Nope. I only want it for fascists. Pretty easy. What doesn’t work is passive nonsense. Calling for nice talk to bad people is just allowing bad people to keep being bad people. The bad people caught on that they can just do whatever they want because people like you don’t do or say anything meaningful.
Being too soft on fascism is how we got here. If you don’t casually support fascism, you’ll wake up.
I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won’t go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent.
But dehumanizing the people you decided are “bad” is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what’s required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the “bad” immigrants. How’s that working out?
People we feel are “bad” should be treated like human beings. Because what’s deemed bad depends on who’s doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn’t a great way to bring the information that there’s something bad happening to those who don’t already agree with you.
I feel you’re enabling the rise of fascism by making them feel comfortable. Nothing you could ever say will change my mind, as I have thought long and hard about it.
The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot.
Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can’t tell the difference doesn’t change that. I’m willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don’t need to trick myself that they aren’t people in order to do that.
Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism?
You will never be able to get the person at the top. So you just have to get rid of all the mosquitoes one by one. While it does seem like there are a lot of them, nothing is infinite. If enough of the mosquitoes feel like they have a real possibility of dying, they will get the fuck out of town.
Every little bit counts if you’re not a fascist lover.
What comes to pass does so not so much because a few people want it to happen, as because the mass of citizens abdicate their responsibility and let things be.
Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he’d been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don’t spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I’ll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live.
Fascism is doing a great job bubbling up in Canada all by itself.
Comparing what is going on today with what happened in World War II is going to give a whole bunch of false conclusions. Sure, there are some similarities.
I think the biggest mistake that someone on the left can do is to think that The right will eventually eat themselves. That isn’t going to happen this time. Direct action is required from multiple angles, an encouraging people to be nice to fascists is supporting fascists
Dehumanizing people is a trait of fascism. It makes it easy to commit all kinds of atrocities because they aren’t really people. Why would you want that for yourself or others?
Nope. I only want it for fascists. Pretty easy. What doesn’t work is passive nonsense. Calling for nice talk to bad people is just allowing bad people to keep being bad people. The bad people caught on that they can just do whatever they want because people like you don’t do or say anything meaningful.
Being too soft on fascism is how we got here. If you don’t casually support fascism, you’ll wake up.
I agree that fascists are bad people, and I agree that fascists won’t go away by ignoring them or presuming their good intent.
But dehumanizing the people you decided are “bad” is literally the attitude that enables fascism. Not only does it set a low bar for what’s required to dehumanize someone, but it weakens the kind of self-reflection that helps people avoid falling into fascism. Think about all those MAGA folk who say they only wanted to deport the “bad” immigrants. How’s that working out?
People we feel are “bad” should be treated like human beings. Because what’s deemed bad depends on who’s doing the finger-pointing, and dehumanizing others isn’t a great way to bring the information that there’s something bad happening to those who don’t already agree with you.
I feel you’re enabling the rise of fascism by making them feel comfortable. Nothing you could ever say will change my mind, as I have thought long and hard about it.
The only way we beat fascism is with zero tolerance, and aggressive action. Anything else and you’re a lobster in a pot.
Absolutely. But that’s not the same thing as saying they’re not human. They are human. That’s what makes them dangerous.
And if your standards are that everyone bad isn’t human, you’re literally propping up fascism.
I disagree. 🤷♂️
Well enjoy our society as it is I guess, because that let’s find people to punish attitude is why we have a prison industrial complex.
Actually, it’s not even related. None of the fascists will see the inside of a prison cell. And that’s why we have a prison industrial complex
Being soft and not dehumanizing are two different things. The fact you can’t tell the difference doesn’t change that. I’m willing to do hard things to dangerous people. I don’t need to trick myself that they aren’t people in order to do that.
Did you consider Charlie Kirk a dangerous person?
Yes, but not nearly the biggest problem around, nor do I think his death is going to stem the tide. So, did the death of this dangerous person improve the world any more than killing a mosquito does? Or was it a tiny bump on the road to American fascism?
You will never be able to get the person at the top. So you just have to get rid of all the mosquitoes one by one. While it does seem like there are a lot of them, nothing is infinite. If enough of the mosquitoes feel like they have a real possibility of dying, they will get the fuck out of town.
Every little bit counts if you’re not a fascist lover.
Did WWII end before Hitler died? He seemed to think so given the gaping hole he put in his own head. I honestly think if Trump were to die tomorrow, very little would change. I think if he was assassinated you would see a response that would make the one to 9/11 look tame. If he’d been put in jail after Jan 6, maybe the direction of things would have changed, but I expect things will get a lot worse before they get better. As a non-American, my fervent hope is they eat themselves like a cancer and don’t spread to the rest of the world. In the meantime, I’ll watch my own backyard and do what little I can to stem the tide where I live.
Fascism is doing a great job bubbling up in Canada all by itself.
Comparing what is going on today with what happened in World War II is going to give a whole bunch of false conclusions. Sure, there are some similarities.
I think the biggest mistake that someone on the left can do is to think that The right will eventually eat themselves. That isn’t going to happen this time. Direct action is required from multiple angles, an encouraging people to be nice to fascists is supporting fascists
Back to the false dichotomy. You can start over at the top again without me.