• itisileclerk@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    51
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    3 days ago

    That is actually good news. World shouldn’t be 100% dependent on US technology. I want alternative. So go China, go Japan, go EU, go Canada.

      • itisileclerk@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        16
        ·
        edit-2
        3 days ago

        Worse in what? For example, China didn’t invade or bomb another country. From a World point of view USA is THE worst country in the world. OK, second worst, nobody can match Israel’s atrocities.

        • Viceversa@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          32
          arrow-down
          5
          ·
          3 days ago

          China didn’t invade or bomb another country.

          Tibet and Hong Kong might disagree.
          Taiwan also isn’t a fan.

          • itisileclerk@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            12
            arrow-down
            23
            ·
            3 days ago

            Tibet is China. Hong Kong is China. On the other hand, Venezuala, Vietnam, Iran, Yemen, Lebanon, Serbia, Syria, Iraq, Cuba, Laos, Cambodia, … non of them are USA. Plus USA is the only nation that burn alive with Naplm bombs 100000 civilians in one night and droped two nuclear bombs on civilians.

            Bottom line, China is not ideal but USA is way much worse, from the World point of view and that for Americans is the ugly truth they don’t want to look at.

            • glimse@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              2 days ago

              Hmmmm the fact that China says Hong Kong and Tibet are part of China but much of Hong Kong and Tibet disagrees tells me there’s more to the story there.

              I’m not even a China hater but…c’mon lol

            • MountainVeil@slrpnk.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              21
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              3 days ago

              Hong Kong maybe, but Tibet is no more China than Cuba is part of the US. They’re two distinct cultures with different histories. You might as well say Korea is China, Vietnam is China.

              • itisileclerk@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                2
                ·
                2 days ago

                I said “China is not ideal, but the US is much worse.” I am NOT defending the Chinese occupation of Tibet (or whatever that is), but the US is much worse than that. Only Nazi Germany, Stalin’s USSR, and modern Israel are worse nations than the US today. China, despite their crimes, is much better. From a world perspective.

            • Viceversa@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              17
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              Tibet is China. Hong Kong is China.

              Again, they might disagree

              Plus USA is the only nation that burn alive with Naplm bombs 100000 civilians in one night and droped two nuclear bombs on civilians.

              Are you from China, perchance?
              You did comparably atrocious things to a comparable number of your own citizens.

              Oh, and my own country (Russia) seems to be eager to one day one up you on that, btw.

            • VAK@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              edit-2
              2 days ago

              Hong Kong on paper is, Tibet definitely was an invasion. Maybe you mean to say China assimilates?

              Edit: like China is Britain of neo-colonialism and USA is France

        • FiniteBanjo@feddit.online
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          3 days ago

          What China did in Iran is a lot more sinister, they provided guns and bombs to the IRGC and Ayatollah who starved and shot their own citizens earlier this year in higher numbers than the death toll from the war with the USA.

          China also promoted and helped reelect Donald Trump using TikTok which is now and has always been operated out of Beijing.

      • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        19
        arrow-down
        4
        ·
        3 days ago

        The less share of the pie America takes up, the less it can bully other countries into its evil bullshit. So yeah, this is objectively good.

        • ramble81@lemmy.zip
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          4
          ·
          3 days ago

          I think their broader point was “it’s good till it isnt”. It feels like you’re looking at China as a savior. When instead it’s a “Oh, I wouldn’t say you’re free… more like under new management” scenario. They’re good till they aren’t, as we’ve seen with Taiwan.

          As much as globalization has connected us, we need to still focus on independent sustainability. Does that mean there becomes a lot of redundancies and costs, yes, but it also grants better independence as we’re clearly seeing what happens when a large power turns evil.

          • story@lemmy.zip
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 days ago

            Independence, while not a fringe issue, is about as politically unpopular there as ICE is here, for different reasons. use whatever polls you want, or read their own stuff:

            https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/news/6395438

            I think, like most global things Americans are passionate about, Taiwan doesn’t want the freedom we want for them. The average resident just want tomorrow’s experience to resemble today’s, everyone should leave them alone.

          • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            arrow-down
            5
            ·
            3 days ago

            How many bombs has China dropped in the last 50 years? How about America?

            This is objectively a good thing.

            • ramble81@lemmy.zip
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              14
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              edit-2
              3 days ago

              Physical destruction isn’t the only measurement. What has China done to the Uyghurs? More damage than a bomb there. What about Tibetans? Tienamen Square? There is also their indirect support Russia and that definitely does involve bombs. You can’t just brush it off because “they’re not directly dropping them”. Just because it’s not “shock and awe” doesn’t mean there isn’t death and oppression.

              • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                5
                arrow-down
                12
                ·
                3 days ago

                Also you think what China has done to the Uyghurs, which is re-education, is worse than bombing them all to death??

                Fuck is wrong with you lol?

                • Sarah Valentine@pawb.social
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  9
                  arrow-down
                  3
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  3 days ago

                  In all of history, the use of “re-education” has always turned out to be ethnic/cultural genocide.

                  • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    2
                    ·
                    2 days ago

                    I went to college with an old coal miner who was going to my school for free on a re-education bill after the coal mine he worked at was shut down. I think you just only hear about the creepy “re-education” in the media.

                  • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    9
                    ·
                    3 days ago

                    Right, and it’s immensely preferable to mass rape, pillage, and murder, which is what the west has done for its entire history, including to this day.

                • VAK@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  2
                  ·
                  2 days ago

                  Well, someone once said give me freedom or give me death. So it’s up for debate I suppose.

              • NonconfrontationaI@lemmy.ml
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                6
                arrow-down
                8
                ·
                3 days ago

                And the US has done all of that, dropped millions of tons of bombs on civilians, and worse, lol.

                It is objectively good for the US to lose power and for China to gain power, lol.

                • ramble81@lemmy.zip
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  3 days ago

                  When did I say either one was good. Re-read my original comment. My point was for independent power, not just switching from one “master” to another. It would do good for both China and the US to lose their soft power and have a more level shift of independence among nations.