Not sure if this is AI. If so, then it is an example that AI content need not always be bad.

But it is on who owns it and uses it for what. Collective control over AI, directing it for the benefit of the people would be good.

Edit

Anyway, since this is causing discussion: Anyone with the meme making skills see a non-AI version of this? Or anyone who has the skills to do that? Or anyone who can share the tutorials to easily/quickly learn how to do that?

  • Brave Little Hitachi Wand@lemmy.caEnglish
    477·
    14 days ago

    Really awkward formatting. Someone def made this in AI and then clumsily collaged them together.

    As for the “tool neutral, usage good” argument, I think of it like Operation Paperclip or Unit 731. Be damned sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

    • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      65·
      14 days ago

      As for the “tool neutral, usage good” argument, I think of it like Operation Paperclip or Unit 731. Be damned sure the juice is worth the squeeze.

      Both are not tools or technology, but Nazis being used, right?

      Is it about AI researchers?
      Even there, the military/surveillance-AI companies and personnel would be the ones similar to Unit 731, right?

  • skisnow@lemmy.caEnglish
    237·
    14 days ago

    It’s not an example of AI usage being good, on account of it’s soulless garbage slop with unbalanced pacing, which adds nothing to the original strip that it was stolen from

  • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
    228·
    14 days ago

    This is the best use for AI image generators imo: throwaway meme slop that isn’t really supposed to look very good, wouldn’t have been made otherwise, doesn’t make any money off of other people’s labor, and did not take away a labor opportunity/labor power from anyone. It’s not like the AI companies are making money off of this, not even close, they’re all bleeding to death.

    Oh it’s wasting water and electricity? The water and electricity were already wasted by training, you can’t un-waste the water or electricity. In fact, if you refuse to use the AI model they trained then the water and electricity were wasted for nothing!

    Oh it’s plagiarism? Oh not precious property rights, I didn’t realize we were fucking capitalists protecting the sanctity of copyright.

    • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      6·
      14 days ago

      In fact, if you refuse to use the AI model they trained then the water and electricity were wasted for nothing!

      Is that not a sunk cost fallacy?
      If it is very bad to use, we can choose not to use it. But if not, we can use it.

      Oh it’s plagiarism? Oh not precious property rights, I didn’t realize we were fucking capitalists protecting the sanctity of copyright.

      Yep.
      Tho, the prople who worked on the confent should be paid decently and also on how derivatives of the content maybe bad for future income and thus thy should provided a share of the income or given a one time settlement or whatever that would be good. Collective ownership would be good on that too. That is beyond AI, and the general nature of capitalism

      And regarding property rights, especially on memes, are not most memes plagiarising or creating derviatives or litrak copying without paying the original creator? Like, are not screenshots from movies, series, youtube videos etc. used without permission or payment? Is that bad? Are these folk against memes of all types?

      So, the issue is the earnings of the worker, right? And also attribution.
      Collective ownership would likely be the solution there.

      • queermunist she/her@lemmy.ml
        53·
        14 days ago

        Is that not a sunk cost fallacy?

        The sunk cost fallacy would be “we’ve already invested so much into AI, we have to keep investing into AI to make it worthwhile!” As long as we’re not pouring more resources into AI there isn’t an issue. An AI model that is already trained won’t be untrained because we stop using it, after all.

        It’s like freeganism.

      • tachikoma@lemmy.today
        21·
        13 days ago

        Collective ownership would likely be the solution there.

        Why yes I do believe you are correct. In my opinion Collective Ownership of the means of production would be a great solution here. We could like… Build greenhouses around the data centers! Or even better; Build the greenhouses upwards over the data centers. Five story greenhouse heck yeah.

        Or we could just you know… stop using the data centers. :|

        p.s Why do we not capture the steam coming out of nuclear reactors cooling towers? I’m to lazy to look it up.

        • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          21·
          13 days ago

          Data centers are also used by the internet, youtube videos, other content being stored. Des the ‘stop using data centers’ aspect apply to those?
          Or is it for AI data centers?

  • AppleTea@lemmy.zip
    14·
    14 days ago

    Yes its AI

    But you know what? That damn first panel (a version of it that isn’t garbled by a bot, anyway) has been floating around forever. Getting a narrative arc to properly finish the point is… so very gratifying.

    • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
      128·
      14 days ago

      You can generate AI locally.

      Also can we please stop talking about AI in terms of water usage? The amount of total carbon it emits is a much bigger concern.

        • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
          61·
          14 days ago

          I don’t pay for models in any way so I’m not responsible for the emissions during training. AI companies decided to create these emissions, not me.

          I did a bit of research and the full emissions of AI is relatively small compared to other things but still far from negligible. If we take this guardian article at face value the total emissions of AI is 80 million tonnes. Which is about 1.3% of total carbon emissions (about 6 billion tonnes). I did a bit of research and I just thought I’d share.

    • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1010·
      14 days ago

      Does it use that much water? How does it compare to water use by regular datacenters?

      And if it is controlled by a collective, they can reduce wastage and use renewable sources, recycle water etc, without having the profit-only main motivation, right?

      • NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
        139·
        14 days ago

        “What are you worried about? I just use the plagiarism, propaganda, csam and deepfake machine created by technofascists to make political memes.”

        • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          71·
          14 days ago

          Indeed why the technofascists should not own and direct the tech and why the collective should be owning it.

          • NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
            49·
            14 days ago

            What “collective” owns locally run llms and slop generators?

            Who do you think you’re paying for access to the software?

            What do you think that software was trained on?

            Or are you just trying to justify your use of the slop machine by claiming you’re using it for some noble purpose?

            • 1Malayali@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
              62·
              14 days ago

              What noble purpose?

              Spreading democracy and freedom, fighting authoritarianism, plagiarism etc?

              And I am not saying that the collective owns it now. I am saying that it should be under public ownership/control rather than the current scenario.

              • NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net
                24·
                13 days ago

                What noble purpose? Spreading democracy and freedom, fighting authoritarianism, plagiarism etc?

                Yes, that noble purpose.

                So my questions remain:

                What democracy do you think you are spreading by using genAI?

                What authoritarianism are you fighting by paying the fascists for access to their slop bot?

                What plagiarism are you fighting by using the plagiarism bot?

                It isn’t going to be collectively owned because it isn’t made for the collective to own, and locally hosting a version of it isn’t going to make it a tool of the masses.

                It’s made to convince tech illiterate ceos and politicians to throw money at it until the techbros selling it can get their companies bailed out by the world governments that they convinced to put it into their mass surveillance and military systems.

                Paint.net and GIMP are two prime examples of free image editing software that I’d suggest using instead, because even a poorly drawn image made with a mouse in 10 minutes holds more value (literally, in almost all cases) than anything a slopbot is told to generate.

  • apotheotic (she/her)@beehaw.orgEnglish
    95·
    14 days ago

    Just make a shitty meme instead of offloading the work to ai so it can make a shittier meme. I’d much rather people make crappy stick person comics in paint than someone waste resources and time waiting for ai slop to be churned out that doesn’t come close to being creative or coherent.

    • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
      142·
      14 days ago

      it’s filtered through an american lens – one that prefers to blame the technology rather than ever taking action against the epstein class that wields it to our detriment.

      • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        58·
        14 days ago

        No. There is no world in which LLMs and the resources they devour is worth whatever hypothetical use case it has. Saying this is an “American” thing is fucking frankly disgusting.

        • eldavi@lemmy.mlEnglish
          81·
          14 days ago

          it’s a reality in china – the people who control it get to decide.

          • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            68·
            14 days ago

            It doesn’t matter who controls it. What matters is that it is of little value if any to humanity and consumes unfathomable amounts of energy and water to run the data centers that power it. There is no argument that will ever convince me that there is any worthwhile tradeoff there. I don’t give a shit if it’s China doing it, it is still bad.

            • m532@lemmy.ml
              94·
              14 days ago

              You’re the one true leftist who knows everything and all AES are bad because they don’t follow your random made up rules, am I getting this right?

              Ultras = useless

              • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
                56·
                14 days ago

                all AES are bad because they don’t follow your random made up rules, am I getting this right?

                What a ridiculous strawman. I do support AES I still think LLMs are bad and not worth the resources they consume fuck off.

                • m532@lemmy.ml
                  6·
                  14 days ago

                  Oh in that case are you not interested at all why they have five year plans for technology you simply write off as “bad”?

                  Think about it. What do they see, that you don’t see?

      • ChillhopBear@beehaw.org
        52·
        14 days ago

        Social media has largely hijacked would-be leftist activism and funneled it into futile bullshit like screeching about whether it’s good or bad to use AI for memes

    • Johnny_Arson [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      58·
      14 days ago

      LLMs and image generator plagiarism machines are bad and being forced into everything. Also it isn’t AI and I wish people would stop using that bullshit buzzword.