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US be like:
-Let’s build our entire economy around massive trucks for everyone!
oil depletes
surprised Pikachu face
-Sir, could we maybe scale down on gas-guzzling monstrosities?
-NO. We just need more oil!
wars all over the world, massive oil conflicts with huge civilian casualties
-Sir…
global military control on oil supply, attempts to artificially increase oil prices to make shale profitable
abducting an acting president
-Sir!..
-I SAID MORE DAMN TRUCKS!
Like, it is basically undermining strategic security of the country with the added benefit of razing an entire planet. Is oil business so lucrative to justify both? Or do, you know, certain people pile up money at the expense of everyone else?
Who’s even going to buy a NEW gas guzzling car in this economy ?
I actually replaced my suv with a full sized truck last year. Funny enough my average mileage went up from 17 to 28mpg. Hybrids rule.
(Yes, 28 is still shit, but much better and more useful shit than I had before).
Oh neat, I didn’t even know hybrid trucks existed.
Men whose entire identity is tied with what truck they drive. Its absolutely insane how pervasive this shit is.
A friend of mine is has super restricted finances because he has a kid and a truck. He wants a house but can’t afford it because his truck costs him almost $1k/month. I’ve hinted that he should ditch the truck but he just can’t bring himself to do it. Everyone at work drives big trucks so he feels like he has to as well to fit in.
It’s completely fucked.
I met a guy with a chevy tattoo in Indiana, just shat on ford for an hour like it meant anything to me
Why are you friends with a complete and utter moron?
What’s funny is with the cost of gas spiking I don’t think it’ll honestly have a huge effect (not saying I agree with rolling this back). People are tired
Bought a PHEV earlier this year and my “old fashioned” family quickly moved from “that boy ain’t right” to “you get HOW MANY miles per gallon??” And they still can’t compute that I can drive 50 miles on less than $2 of electricity and not a drop of gas.
The numbers make sense, people just need to be shown. It’s where the market is headed, no one should really be considering anything less than hybrid. When my wife’s old Civic dies, it’ll be replaced by a full EV.
hey still can’t compute that I can drive 50 miles on less than $2 of electricity and not a drop of gas.
That sounds suspiciously like math, liburul.
I hope for my next vehicle to be an EV, but I won’t take anything less that 300 miles range. I know that 90% of my driving can be comfortably done in under 200 range, but I do go on longer trips. I know that recharging has come a long way, and I have no problem hanging out for 15+ min at a station, but I won’t do it every 2-3 hours because that’s all I’ve got.
I’m hoping to get many more years out of my current ride before it dies or becomes too costly to repair vs replace. That gives ample time for battery tech to further improve, and hopefully more and cheaper EVs to the market.
I’m not a car snob by any means, but currently the only EV that really piques my interest is the ionic 5 n, but it’s range is just way too low. I’ve been driving a WRX for a little over 6 years now, and love pretty much everything about it. I hope to someday have an EV equivalent of it.
Range anxiety is partially what pushed us to go PHEV. We really only use gas if we leave our immediate area, and on longer trips it’s the same as a full ICE car (just with much better efficiency).
I too hope for better batteries and cheaper EVs before my next purchase! Would love to see Chinese cars in the American market to humble these MSRPs.
But if you leave the electrical zone, it’s even less efficient than gas only, no?
I drive a Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross PHEV. Highway fuel economy is roughly 6L/100Km (about 30mpg) when driving on a depleted battery. Much better than the 9.5L/100Km (24mpg) from the i30 it replaced.
Not as efficient as a Toyota hybrid, but on daily commutes it uses zero fuel and roughly 20kW/100Km.
So the okay fuel economy is offset by the ability to run on electric for 90% of my driving with no range anxiety.
What’s with Asian manufacturers and shit fuel economy lol
That’s diesel BMW X5 fuel economy territory.
Maybe, but not bad for only 10% of my driving
On long driving trips it is reccomended to stop every 2-3 hours for 10 minutes anyways so I don’t see the stopping to charge as an issue tbh.
have no problem hanging out for 15+ min at a station, but I won’t do it every 2-3 hours because that’s all I’ve got.
And there’s me planning a 2000mi road trip in my '22 Bolt next month lmao. It’ll add several hours to my trip as each stop is 30min-1hr
(The old model Bolts charge pretty slow compared to most modern EVs - 50kw max.)
If I had a Hyundai or something similarly fast charging it would cut my trip by ~5 hours each way. But I almost never take trips over 300mi by car. A few times a decade, maybe.
Serious question. What happens when the electric grid can no longer support everything, and starts either Browning or blacking out entire city blocks? I’ve seen the numbers, and the EVs are incredible in a lot of ways, but the pull on the grid if every household has an EV is also incredible. Also, supply economics will play a roll eventually, and just like petrol, which used to be 50p/L, electricity costs will rise as demand rises. We need a renewable energy EV. I agree with you, though, that EVs are better in almost every way. Just the grid isn’t ready.
That’ll happen regardless of EVs. You can’t drop a source of power without shifting the load onto something else.
I’m not commenting to dogpile on you, I think the others have explained why the grid is less of a concern than you might think.
Just wanted to add that we charge ours primarily using excess solar from our home panels, which is an option through our system management tool. It takes longer, but it means even less grid dependency (and virtually “free” vs paying for electricity, which you’re right, will go up in price… though largely due to data centers now, not EVs).
I won’t be surprised if this becomes the norm for EV drivers in the future, as a kWh in the “tank” is worth more than one backfed into the grid. More responsible use for extra power not immediately used.
we charge ours primarily using excess solar from our home panels
This is excellent! It is cost prohibitive where I am, but I guess if one can afford an EV, theoretically, they can afford a solar charger for it. I don’t think it will catch on fast enough everywhere, but I like this.
We did our solar panels first, to help address our home’s energy use (our electricity company is a monopoly and keeps charging more year after year). Plus we liked the idea of being green and energy independent, the vehicle is a newer addition to the setup.
Not sure where you are, but even if you can’t do solar now, you might be able to do plug-in solar soon! Super popular in some countries already, and coming quickly (hopefully) to the States. And even if you can’t do a four wheel passenger EV, e-bikes are a great choice for traveling on the power of the sun.
Oh, that’s brilliant! I’m actually saving up now to hopefully be able to start solar by EOY. Batteries are expensive, but, if my maths is right, it’ll be less expensive (and much greener) over their 5 or so year lifetime, than paying electric in that same timeframe. Regrettably, ebike is not an option for me (balance issues).
Yeah, I’m just nearing the end of my first year with solar, and I know the best thing I can do is use every drop of the energy I get. The power company pays me something like a quarter to a third of what I pay them per kwh.
100%, though I’m thankful to have net metering at all, as I know it’s not available in some areas! Building up some credit to use in the less sunny months is nice, helps offset potential days when production doesn’t exceed consumption.
Congrats on going solar!
Now do data centers.
That’s my point.
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Something like 40% of our electricty in the UK is from renewables - on some days it’s 100%! There are days where we’re having to pay wind farms to NOT generate electricity as we already have an oversupply. I honestly don’t see energy supply as a bottleneck for EV uptake.
For UK, China, and several in the MidEast, correct. So, my question is what happens to the rest.
Charging at home isn’t a major issue for the grid IMO, it will be fairly predictable en masse.
Those 1500 kW quick chargers taking the electricity consumption of a small town and putting it into one car for a few minutes will be an issue when many cars happen to be charged at once. It’s coming in future Chinese EVs, but requires compatible chargers of course
The quick chargers are where my concerns lie. If every EV stays with that standard plug-it-for-8-hours charger, my question is negated. But that’s not what’s going to happen, I don’t think most grids are ready for that level of mass adoption. I think they can get there with offloading (one commenter said solar chargers for EVs), but we’re not all there yet. The revolution implied here will cripple the grid in the short term. Similar to what those “ai” datacenters are doing now, but on a larger scale and in a way that can’t be similarly regulated or limited. EVs are the future for sure, but we need to be ready to charge them in every home, and we’re not.
And to clarify, I’m not (and wasn’t in my original comment) suggesting Evs should be stopped or that they’re bad. Only that we must be ready to support them.
So instead of promoting more green energy, more EV’s and less greenhouse gasses, the US is hurling backwards in every single policy.
the
USMAGA cult is hurling backwards in every single policy.Ftfy
Yeah, keep believing that you are not ALL controlled and pitted against each other by the same Oligarch/fascist pscho class !
Keep believing that ‘Merica GREAT’ and everything that is happening is all just the dumb maga’s fault !
Keep believing that merican peeps had ever had any actual ‘democratic’ say in what internal/foreign policies was enforced !
That’ll teach your fascist oligarch rulers for good !!
Good thinking !!
Thus making their vehicles even more difficult to sell outside their own country.
No one takes US vehicles seriously outside the US anyway. They don’t even fit on most roads.
What this article doesn’t mention is that California is such a massive market that their state-specific regulations often dictate the behavior of car manufacturers country-wide. Why?
Nobody wants to buy a car in TX that cannot be bought or sold in CA. No car company wants to sell a CA-only model vs. a 49-other-state model of the same car, so they meet the California standard for the entire product. There is a national ripple effect that causes the federal fuel standards to become functionally redundant.
Good luck getting the California Air Resources Board (CARB) to go along with these changes, let alone the 17 other states that have adopted the same CA-leading standards.
“We are about to announce a common-sense fuel economy standard because we want Detroit to build cars that Americans want to buy – not cars that Democrats want Washington to build,” “Biden focused on reducing U.S. greenhouse gas emissions and fossil fuel use, accelerating a transition to clean energy and making the U.S. a global leader in clean-energy technology and manufacturing.”
yada yada and more standard childish propaganda for the local peeps. The closer truth is that US didn’t have to care about any of that before, but now, they can no longer extort the rest of the world anymore, and all the exorbitant privileges the merican peeps have always had - WILL be taken away from them. Slam!
Biden and the rest of the Dems are also run by the oligarchy (NO, you didn’t have ‘Democracy’ before either - look it up), and followed the exact same foreign extortion strategy (extort and keep good nations down) as everyone see openly now. Mask are just off, and the Oligarchy are panicking - that’s all. However, Dems are being propagandised to believe that everything were fine until ONE orange man destroyed the finest progressive democracy in the world - come ooonn peeps…
US society and global hegemony was always a ponzi scheme sustained by wars, suppression/extortion, but touted/presented to the merican peeps, as a “capitalist succes !” - an archaic governance belief-system that is ‘coincidentally’ also the best societal substrate for oligarchs to prosper in. Merican ‘succes’ was always about stolen money/resources by extortion/aggression, and ALL merican/capitalist virtues and dogmas was just propaganda to please the home peeps. You think extorting Venezuela was a new thing for US to do ? Using nations as proxy warriors to harm US ‘enemies’ ? Supporting the Izraeli pschos was only the orange man ?? Come on, wake up and start noticing what a horror society you have been living in your whole lives, and discover how much pure evil your lack of activism have caused the rest of the world !
You will all find that all the political activist - ‘Socialists’, ‘Commies’, ‘Anti-fascists’ etc from the so-called “Far right/left/up/down/whatever” was always correct in their attacks on the 100 yo Merican Oligarch/fascist run ‘Empire of Lies’. Time to wake/look up from the propaganda echo-chamber and swallow the realisation that you have all been conned - manipulated - your entire lives for the benefit of the 1% !
Gotta burn that oil or daddy Putin won’t have money to fight his imperialist war.
It’s a good thing, ICE technology has been pushed past its practical use. Manufactures were making too many compromises to increase fuel economy the ultra light oil they are using is bad for the engines and is one of the main reasons why new cars today aren’t as reliable as ones from the early 2000’s.
The price of gas will probably drive most people who can over to electric or hybrid. But those engines will probably be more reliable now.
the ultra light oil they are using is bad for the engines
Conspiracy theory; as long as oil film is maintained, oil is doing its job. Just having higher pressure (i.e resistance to flow) doesn’t make it better in reality.
Modern ICE vehicles are shit if you’re in the US because American manufacturers have gone from shit to diarrhea. The Japanese still make very reliable cars even though fuel economy is almost as atrocious as the Americans. The Germans make cars that, if maintained, still last a very, very long time with tons of power on low fuel consumption, though you’ll occasionally run into issues with stuff like plastic coolant pipes since they, too, have gone down in quality to save money and weight and the engines themselves are very complex to achieve the balance of power and fuel economy.
