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The copier whines that its copies are being copied by another copier. News at 11.
Quite literally the entire history of copyright. Each generation of robber barrons angry at the next generations upstart criminals skimming their rent.
Hollywood being the heart of movies and TV is like if thepiratebay had become the official heart of streaming.
AI copied everyone else’s work and now it wants to cry about copying. Sucks to suck.
You’d think that something that can be copied that easily by your competitors , wouldn’t be valued at hundreds of millions of dollars.
It’s sort of the problem akin to robbing Ft. Knox. Most people just don’t have a bag big enough to carry it all away. The Chinese economy is one of the few big enough to support the kind of multi-billion dollar data centers that can accumulate and process data at scale.
But even beyond that, a lot of the modern underlying technology for AI is in the process of relating the data and inferring the resulting answer. Where Altman’s whiners want to claim theft is in the raw data they’ve (illegally) scraped and compiled. Where Chinese firms have innovated is in the speed and accuracy of aggregating the data and returning useful results.
One reason why Altman keeps saying he needs another trillion dollars for hardware and electricity is that his models are shit and his approach is largely brute-force. His overseas rivals - DeepSeek, Moonshot, Stepfun, etc - have invested far more in the actual logical design of their systems. The end result is the kind of video rendering that rendered Sora obsolete almost as soon as it was released. And the kind of advanced coding that’s scaring the shit out of the engineers at Claude and Gemini.
Ft. Knox
Did anyone ever go in there and show the gold? I thought someone campaigned with that as a promise.
Famously, in 1974
There’s a ton of pictures from that visit, as well.
Millions of ounces?
The fine troy ounce is the traditional unit of appraisal.
The Chinese companies aren’t even copying by doing the same stuff - they’re copying models by using the American ones with very directed prompts to essentially distill, say, Fable 5, with just a few hundred thousand prompts, into a smaller, faster model.
It’s akin to running a bakery, having a super well selling product, and the competition rolling in and buying up 70-80% of your daily volume just to reverse the recipe, then they’ll be selling an “improved” version at 10-20% the cost within a few weeks.
Fascinating. I wasn’t aware of the difference in model approach. Thanks for your insights 👍🏻
*billions
**trillions
they need something like two trillions for entire business to make sense, doesn’t mean that they’ll get it. zitron says the entire sector is worth something in tens of billions in revenue (not profit) per year
It’s valued at all life on earth
In fact it’s not. It’s valued at hundreds of billions, thousands even!
Not a great argument when corporate and military espionage is like China’s expertise
They’re ripping off our plagiarism machine!!
So wait, a technology built on stealing Intellectual Property suddenly has a problem with Intellectual Property theft?
Yes, because most of the stock market is tied to the few AI companies. It’s the only thing keeping up the facade of a growing economy. The last thing they need is someone showing investors how unimpressive and easily copied the tech is, especially when they’re all looking to go IPO and cash out.
Like other Chinese companies, Alibaba tapped into Anthropic’s technologies through tens of thousands of unauthorized accounts, according to the letter, which was viewed by The New York Times. Then it used the data it collected to train its own A.I. systems. Anthropic asked the lawmakers, who lead a Senate committee that was about to hold a hearing on A.I., to explore ways of curbing China’s distillation.
Lmfao they are complaining about what’s basically the same thing as what they did to people to create their AI in the first place
I still have logs from Anthropic bot not respecting robots.txt ddosing my home lab and stealing code. Where can I send them ?
Claude
Ahem, what they are still doing based on everyone’s overloaded webserver logs.
No what the Chinese do is much more ethical because they actually pay for the tokens. Basically anthropic is complaining that companies use and pay for their product :'(
plus china is well known to MAKE faux-of everything why are they surprised.
I agree with this. They should’ve known. And at least chinese teams are coming out with new ways to make these models more efficient and smaller. They’re improving on the work they stole and then making it open source which I love to see.
As long as the Chinese are releasing their AI as open source, I really honestly don’t give a shit.
They’re releasing it open weighs mostly, not open source necessarily.
Not all that different from the freeware model, where you get a binary that you can run, but you don’t really have the building blocks to make it yourself.
Yeah, for me, I am very strict about that. If it is not open source, I will not use it.
I’m aware of the difference between open weight models and open source models, and I will not use open weight models because they are not open source.
Before I learned that I should care, I used closed source software and so now have some closed source software that I still use because of the fact that I got used to it and can’t really easily get rid of it.
AI is the very first technology where I can draw the line immediately and say I will never use a closed source system.
I have switched to open source software and operating systems as much as possible, but because of the fact that I used operating systems and software before I cared about open source, I still have some dead weight to drag around. And with AI, I’m hoping to avoid that issue.
For example, every application on my phone is open source, except for one, and I find that app useful enough that I cannot get rid of it.
source includes the training data. If i gave someone the full source code of a wasm interpreter and a wasm blob that contains all of the logic of the actual application, with no way of building that blob yourself, and call that open source, I’d be laughed out of the room.
“open source” models usually do exactly this
I use olmo from AI2 which also includes the training data.
That is true, and so I suspect the only truly FLOSS models we will ever see will be highly specialised to a particular task; which is, in the long run, fine by me. A coding llm that comes with a huge corpus of open source training code, maybe even just in a specific language, a speech to text model with a corpus of transcribed creative commons audio, probably a single language or pair of languages if its for translation, etc. That way the datasets, while still huge, could actually be curated by a single community.
“How dare you steal what we already stole.”
Steve Jobs to Bill Gates.
Kinda like how very AI company in silicon valley was scrambling to figure out Deepseek worked when it released for free?
Do you know something? When Chinese copy AI they open source it but your American companies would never do that
Us strategy is to chase the latest frontier model and while they burn money to get to that economy solving model they just plant to get everybody hooked, so they can ramp up prices later and make mega profits. Chinese just see the AI as a productivity multiplier and expect the money to be made elsewhere, their models are open and their Ai companies work on a loss. US plan really expects that there is eventually A) no competition, and B) their shit can actually be so useful that soon nobody can live without them. Everything the Chinese do is just poison to US AI companies.
Robin Hoods of AI?
It’s more like a freeware computer program than open-source (or “open” weights or whatever language they attach to it). They won’t show you the source for many reasons. One of the reasons here is that the source is Anthropic, which I find hilarious personally
american ones like the EVS, WANTS TO gouge people thats why.
“They’re using their plagiarism machine to plagiarize our plagiarism machine!”
They take our water, our power, our data, our intellectual property, and our politicians, and sell them back to us as tokens.
Of course they would steal the very meaning of “fairness” and monetize it.
