Yes, I am sorry! I did not want to point a finger at you, but I messed up. Your comment just happened to remind me of, how I see so many angry answers, and mass-downvoting, everytime I spot one of the thornpeople comments. And it makes me sad! Why do people get so pissed off, over such a minor thing, I do not understand.

I think one doing it said, they do it for style, no idea about others, if there are several. But let them be, we are online, and practically have crawled to hide under a rock here - of course you are going to encounter multiple different type of weirdoes. Writing a bit funny is very low on the list of bothersome things, I have seen people do here. If you get annoyed at the thorns, just stop reading and scroll past. In the long run, creating a negative space with mean comments, just makes things worse for everyone.

//Sorry, I meant “you” in general, I was not trying to aim this at you specifically.

Well, my country’s legislative bunch has already said, that mass surveilance is against our constitution. I doubt Finland is the only country in EU to have that, so even if it passes fully, it is going to have some big hurdles ahead.

In german you capitalize all the nouns. It is trippy to read in the beginning, when your native language does not.

but if any of us got tested it would be borderline at best.

Ironically, I thought this way about myself for a long time. When I got evaluated as an adult, I got high scores for most things. Turns out, what I thought was borderline, was not borderline at all, I am just good at masking, for my own detriment. I am not saying it is the same for anyone else, who knows, but sometimes people perceive themselves very differently, than mental health professionals do - in all directions.

I like that there’s genuine conversations here, much like this one.

I completely agree with this, and especially with comment sections. In reddit, even before the bots took over, every discussion was overrun really quickly, with a huge mass of people. If you failed to take part, in like an hour after posting, it did not matter if you commented, as it was either buried, or nobody else would comment as the post tanked. So it was just pointless to even write comments.

Here, I can still jump into comment sections, and manage to have a conversation, even if the post was made days ago.

No, they are not usually written, except people sometimes doing it casually in social media, but because our lettering system is almost fully phonetic, it is very easy to write and read them if you just speak finnish. Also if you are native speaker, you kind of learn the certain fluidity in the core of the language, so you can pretty much understand the words, even if they vary a lot (except people from Rauma, nobody understands them).

I really thought it would have been cracked by AI, because it can translate finnish pretty accurately (not always…) and if you can do that, dialects aren’t hard at all, but I was surprised to find that it still cannot! I am assuming it really is, just because there are not enough written sources to teach from.

//Oh, and as a summary my main points were, that AI most definitely has not “solved” learning and translating languages, as it yet cannot even translate a lot of things, and I guess also, that you cannot trust AI translations, if the text translated is some obscure language you do not know. They can sound convincing and form coherent sentences, but the meaning can be fully incorrect.

I was just at a networking/research technology conference in Helsinki (TNC26) where the topic of nordic languages— especially minority ones—being under-represented by current automated transcription/translation tools came up in one of the side talks I attended. There’s some effort by various European NRENs and universities to train models on these languages so those tools can be more widely available to students, academics, and the public. The talk was about “Scribe” by SUNET (Swedish Research Network) hosting whisper models for this purpose.

That should be especially good for things like the multiple sapmi languages! At least in finnish you can already write in the proper “book language” and get pretty accurate translations, even though the dialects still escape that.

Also, Finnish is fucking hard lol. I can usually pick up a bit of language wherever I travel, basic phrases usually. But DAMN trying to nail the epiglottal sounds of even “Hyvää yötä” threw me!

It is usually especially hard to learn for indo-european speakers, so it is not just you struggling! Haha :)

Actually lets break it down, so it is clearer what the accuracy was. I will not talk about the mistranslations, though.

• I have come to the same conclusion as the previous poster. DeepL identifies correctly I agree with them, but fails to pick up the nuance of it. Pretty good.

• I am indirectly taking part in mocking techbros for thinking AI has solved language learning. This is referencing the previous post, so DeepL could not know that without context. It somewhat picks up I am saying AI-stuff has not solved anything.

• It correctly picks up I learned something about language yesterday and that someone fails at it, but it fails to identify I am talking specifically about dialects and fails to clearly convey it is AI that fails. It translates correctly I mistakenly thought the previous thing was true.

• I am saying AI could not properly answer to talking in dialect, referencing indirectly I am talking in dialect in the message. DeepL picks up that I am saying something is failing, but does not convey anything else correctly.

• I’m telling Google was the worst at translating, and that I found that hilarious. DeepL fully fails to translate the meaning, but translates the word “shit” acceptably, and conveys correctly something is funny.

  So what was lost in translation?

• Talking in dialect, and AI failing to translate dialects properly - Core part of the message, so really bad, that it was about dialects, was not conveyed.

• I am laughing at Googles translation abilities being the worst - Fails to convey this completely. Not a core part of the message, but still relatively important information.

• Nuance about thinking before agreeing - Leaving that out does not matter in casual conversation. If this was translation for a more “proper” thing, this could be bad though.

• Mocking techbros - This required context that wasn’t offered.

Yes.

Yeah I’ve been thinking the same. The greatest thing about these is that those algorithms and whatnot haven’t really even solved anything. Just yesterday I learned that fake/artificial-smarts can’t even translate dialects correctly, even though I thought they could. If you talk something like this for a bit they weren’t really able to answer that! Google especially was giving out complete shit, but it was pretty funny to read and laugh.

If it was unclear, the point is: pick a random finn from the street and they can translate that pretty much from word to word, even if they are from a complete different dialect speaking area, whereas even at best AI could give you only something towards it. I can only use obscure things, like this as an example, as I do not speak that many other languages, but if the languages do not have much written record online, they are not going to be properly translatable. We are still surprisingly far from not needing human translators.

//And yes, Google was hilariously shit. I managed to make couple normal sentences, without even trying, that it just gave up completely and did not translate at all, only removed some random letters.

I absolutely despise morons who smugly pronounce language learning and translation work “solved”

Juu sammoo miäkkii uonny uatelna. Kaekkee hienoenta tämmöttiissä uonku eip nuo alakoritmit ja semmottet oekkeest uo mittee ees ratkassukkaa. Miä eilispäevänä justiinsa opinni etteep tekoviksut ossoo ees kunnolla murutehia kientöö, vaek kyl miä nii luulinni juu. Tämmöttii kup vähäsennii huastelloopi ni eip hyö siihe oekkee mittee osannukkaa virikata! Kuukkels tuo etteenki se suols aenaki iha pelekköö paskoo, ol ihap hauskoo kyl lukkoo ja naaraa.

I have a ten-year-old desktop that still works perfectly, and runs all the games I need. Why on earth would I put an arm and a leg into a new one? Not that I would voluntarily put Copilot 11 on anything I own, either way.

That is unacceptable behavior, and I am quite sure many neurotypicals would also agree, even though it definitely depends on the cultural context as well. At least here it is just extremely rude to bring more quests without asking the host first, or at least telling them beforehand, unless you specifically have that type of relationship, or the invite was clearly open. That is like intentionally trying to embarass you in front of their other friends, as you might not have enough food, or drink, or other things prepared. That person would not be my friend afterwards.