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ryan walters is one of the most unhinged individuals in politics. unfortunately, the stage is set for him to rocket into the national spotlight. everyone’s a bigot of some kind now…

based-pilled take

i appreciate you being more rational and less jingoistic about this than most canadians i meet rn. don’t get me wrong, i understand their reaction given the circumstances, it’s just detached from reality for the reasons you layed out here.

i don’t think the world understands as well as americans who were raised here exactly how much the american military dwarfs every other similar institution on the planet in every respect that matters.

like, it is quite literally the largest and most powerful military in human history and it’s not even fucking close. the US could declare open fucking war on the entire rest of the world and stand a reasonable chance.

that’s why the neofascist taking control here matters to everyone. they’re gonna try and conquer the fucking world. think that sounds absurd? so did everyone in the West when hitler said the same thing, and he got dangerously close.

Edit 2: If you continue down this thread, there’s a lot of trolling going on. This could be for 2 purposes, make me look like an unreliable source (on biology, that might be true) and ruin the vibe.

lmfao are you fucking joking? you made yourself look like an unreliable source by referring to such a dogshit website/article. it actually required zero help from anybody else to shoot your credibility.

i never stopped, fuck these vultures - idc how many fake ass american dream-pilled carrots they wave in our faces. always fuck them.

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that second to last bit is particularly relevant.

we can’t really declare what the first utensils were based on current archeological evidence because the first utensils were likely made of materials that are long gone by now, for the most part.

lots of anthropologist are of the position that chopsticks likely predate spoons and forks, for generally the reasoning given in the original comment you’re replying to here. we can only really conjecture, though. maybe one day we’ll magically have enough dots to see the forest for the trees and be able to be relatively certain about it. having more data points than just human civilization would be a start, for one.

utensils are like language in of that they are an expression of our culture, so we don’t even know how many individual times across the globe utensils might have been invented, either.

this is a whole can of worms that you can look into but the entire western conception of the Chinese social credit system is essentially a myth propagated by western media outlets.

don’t get me wrong, the chinese government legislated local governors implement something vaguely similar to the financial credit system in the west but, as the law works in china, they all interpreted the order differently and it seems only the “good” parts get rolled out nationally.

situations similar to the western “social credit” myth existed for a brief time in a very small number of local pockets (think smaller divisions such as cities and towns), but they were quickly absconded and the architects of those systems punished, for essentially wasting government time and money.

note i’m definitely not a tankie fuck tankies but i also think if we’re gonna talk about china we don’t need to make shit up bc just like the US there is plenty of real shit to criticize. the “social credit” thing is a joke that westerners get made fun of internationally for believing, pretty much. it’s not remotely real, at least how you probably think of it.

realistically at this point you don’t have more or less rights or freedoms as a citizen of china or the united states. you’re pretty equally fucked either way now.

maybe a little abrasive in tone but i don’t totally disagree, this is kind of fucking dumb and i don’t understand why i’m seeing this everywhere rn.

mercator hasn’t been ubiquitous in decades and when it is used today there’s usually an actual reasoning, however valid one decides it to be.

what the fuck are these people talking about?

a campaign for this? what, are we going to campaign to cease the use of subway maps next because they give a dishonest sense of size and scale of metros?

this feels like weird distraction bait from things that actually matter.

Why is this guy saying a datacenter generates energy?

It’s less absurd than it sounds and requires understanding how modern data center facilities that are being deployed by big tech actually work and run at a facility-wide and systemic level. They do generate this energy, they just proceed to use it. Notice he says roughly a gigawatt of energy, which is nowhere near the gross need for the facility as per the article.

Most modern data centers built in the past few years, especially those that are “campuses” as described, have on-site power generation solutions. Sometimes this means classic oil/coal/gas generators on the property, sometimes it means more involved and nuanced situations. What Lehane is telling the AP here is that, of the energy consumed by the new data center as a whole, “roughly and depending how you count,” 1 gigawatt comes from such sources. The article clearly states the center is set to deploy at 1.8 gigawatts consumption scaling up to 10 gigawatts over the lifespan of the facility. Presumably these are on the same time scales and everything. Frankly, for an AP article this was written quite poorly and the exact meaning of most this information isn’t very clear. I don’t think that’s Lehane’s fault implicitly. Just seems like bad reporting.

People have this image in their heads of these big data centers opening up and just like, sucking up all the power from the local grid due to their demand and this is what causes things such as blackouts. This is mildly incorrect. The negative effects of these data centers’ power demands is less to do with them “overloading” public grids and more to do with the market economy of energy. You get blackouts because all the energy they can’t generate themselves on-site must be acquired somewhere else. They can walk up to the local power companies and buy energy just like any private citizen can. They often get discounted rates compared to the plebes, too. You end up with blackouts because the energy companies don’t give a shit who they sell their product to, they just care that it sells. When companies like Microsoft, Nvidia, or OpenAI roll up with significantly more capital and resources than anyone else in the local economy, they’re easily able to out-compete even the entirety of the local domestic power demand. That’s what causes blackouts.

No one wants to talk about this because it’s easier to just say braindead shit like “fuck datacenters/AI/big-tech/fuckingwhateveritis” so you can feel like you’re “on the right side” than it is to acknowledge the long line of people in both the public and private sectors who had to rubber-stamp personally fucking the average person for us to even get to this point. Does big tech suck absolutely, fat, stinking donkey balls? For fucking sure. Are they anything more than a symptom of a much more entrenched societal rot? Nope.

i wish people would understand that copyright and the entire existing economic system built around art are all intended to oppress the little guy.

i think getting a grip on what you just said here is probably the first sort of real step in that direction for people.

can’t even count the number of times i’ve had someone respond to me with some variation of “oh so you don’t care about the artists’ WORK/LABOR/BALLS then, do you??” as some sort of accusation because i said something negative about copyright… when that’s not remotely the case - for me it’s based in a sentiment very similar to this ethos here regarding piracy. to me, the brain dead people rabidly defending a system where leeches can MitM artists and their clients are the ones who don’t care about artists or their work.

i grew up in the state.

it’s honestly not so bad, most people are reasonable and not entirely insane. at least any more so than the rest of the USA. i’ve traveled all over the country and seen that 1. most places here are, for all their differences, pretty similar and 2. an oddly large number of people will, without any irony at all, ask dumb as shit questions like “oh you guys have houses? i thought they still lived in tipis there…”, which is part of what compels me to clear up the image that Oklahoma is just some backwater. OKC and Tulsa are both larger cities than New Orleans, and by a non-insignificant population count too.

it’s just one of those states where the republicans have a gerrymandered, fascist hold on the government and have for a long time. they win virtually every single election at every level in Oklahoma and control the entire state government, all appointments are basically made solely by the republican party here. they control what does and doesn’t pass the legislature. yet, demographically, the republicans do not have nearly the super-majority that would justify this power. we’ve been prisoners of y’al-qaeda for basically the entire history of the state. and this isn’t by any long shot the only state like this, it just might be one of the worst. they test their shitty fucking playbooks and “go-fuck-yourself-with-razorblades” laws out on us because it is a large market/population. a century and a half of being the american fascist guinea pigs has led us to be one of the civil societies here in the US that is in the most disrepair. we’re near bottom or dead last for virtually any metric of societal health when compared to other states.

don’t hate these people please, not saying you are but it’s a common sentiment. i fucking despised the south and would belittle southerners when i was a naive teen bc of my resentment for their racism and general ethos. a lot of them are fucked up, but for a large number of them, they are victims too.

This is a strawman argument, though. Sure, that can and does happen, but it isn’t the existence of spaces like Tea that is problematic, it is the holistic relationship between men and women in our society, generally. Further, I’m clearly not saying opposing Tea is inherently misogyny. It is a very particular kind of reaction that I am talking about, and you know this.

Tea itself really isn’t any worse than any other forum. You could have the same thing happen to a man on other platforms, there is nothing unique about Tea in that capacity and it is disingenuous to levy that criticism against the platform in isolation. People dislike it because they have a weird caricature of women in their head and assume every person on this app must have been a gossip or an evil person, yet there is no real basis for that claim other than the fact the audience is mainly women. Hence, the “misogyny,” that you seem to not really have the prior life experience to see. You can look through my profile here. I’ve said plenty in support of men’s rights and men’s issues as well, I’m really not rabidly in coalition for a particular gender’s rights or anything. I’m just calling it as I see it and the reaction to Tea on the web is largely sexist.

No one said false accusations aren’t real or that opposing them makes you a misogynist. You’re being intentionally obtuse and conflating a critique of people’s treatment of women in public discourse with a critique of apps such as these generally to make it seem absurd to point out how sexist some of the reaction to Tea has been. Mostly because I think you saw the word “misogyny” thrown out and for some reason took it as a personal insult or something. I think most people would reflect upon that and I’d hope you would too.

I probably won’t further respond because I’m getting the idea honest discourse and dialectic isn’t your goal here.

if that’s truly how the leak happened then these people, in any reasonable jurisdiction, would be considered criminally negligent, at the least.

yay compsci ethics courses :D

boo courts failing to uphold the law >:(

saw this happening here, saw it happening in reddit threads on the topic, saw it all over the media cycle in the comments.

i agree, people’s visceral backlash against this app is steeped in a deep misogyny. most of these comments have a vapid absence of any sort of even basic recognition towards these women as people. talking about them like they’re abstract figures or test subjects up in here.

watching people take somewhat valid privacy concerns as an excuse to let loose their most toxic feelings towards women used to be the sort of thing only losers or emboldened megalomaniacs did in public, even just a decade ago.

in the past years i’ve just seen all my peers, regardless of political affiliation, manipulated into a cult of outrage that serves as another hamster wheel upon which capital may spin.

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oh god i agree with cowbee wholeheartedly in a thread of discourse…

oh god oh fuck oh shit i can feel it happening… is it warm in here?

Я чувствую, как марксизм-ленинизм просачивается в мой мозг!!! _make it stop….

Теперь я чувствую себя белым и пушистым… как коммунистический медведь.

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anyway joking aside appreciate lemmy collectively telling neolibs to shut the fuck up bc while plenty of things .ml says piss me off, they don’t piss me off nearly as much as seeing americans who haven’t ripped the bandaid off yet.

that’s neat and all but it doesn’t respond to or subvert technocrit and his point in any real way.

he’s not making an argument about the origin of our current system, he’s claiming that the status quo is upheld equally by both democrats and republicans who work together to prevent change or radical politics from ever emerging in the american political psyche.

Funny how the same prefigurative traditionalism and claims about victimhood/attacks on traditional values can be seen in far right leaders across the globe, but nobody ever seems to point out the similarities.

i think everyone is pointing out these similarities. somewhat ironically, i think someone like technocrit is pointing out more important similarities than someone like you who is drawing an imaginary line in the sand. regardless, the whole world is talking about the rising tide of fascism and i think it says more about you than the world or global discourse that you’d posit nobody is talking about it, bc people certainly are. it’s all we’ve talked about for 5-10 years - across the entire west and more.

i think what you’re actually noticing or upset about is that nobody seems to do anything about it…

nah this is bullshit. i actually recently watched a sarah z video essay about exactly why this is bad and it’s a pretty compelling case.

can find it here

in short, humans are shit and the basis on which most people are called a narcissist is more biased and tenuous than most would ever admit which is problematic if we’re going to ruin people’s lives over their perceived faults.

Nope, not trolling at all.

From your own provided source on the arxiv, Noels et al. define censorship as:

Censorship in this context can be defined as the deliberate restriction, modification, or suppression of certain outputs generated by the model.

Which is starkly different from the definition you yourself gave. I actually like their definition a whole lot more. Your definition is problematic because it excludes a large set of behaviors we would colloquially be interested in when studying “censorship.”

Again, for the third time, that was not really the point either and I’m not interested in dancing around a technical scope defining censorship in this field, at least in this discourse right here and now. It is irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I didn’t say he’s a nobody. What was that about a “respectable degree of chartiable interpretation of others”? Seems like you’re the one putting words in mouths, here.

Yeah, this blogger shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how LLMs work or how system prompts work. (emphasis mine)

In the context of this field of work and study, you basically did call him a nobody, and the point being harped on again, again, and again to you is that this is a false assertion. I did interpret you charitably. Don’t blame me because you said something wrong.

EDIT: And frankly, you clearly don’t understand how the work Willison’s career has covered is intimately related to ML and AI research. I don’t mean it as a dig but you wouldn’t be drawing this arbitrary line to try and discredit him if you knew how the work done in Python on Django directly relates to many modern machine learning stacks.

I never implied that he says anything about censorship

You did, at least that’s what I gathered originally, you just edited your original comments quite extensively. Regardless,

Reading comprehension.

The provided example was clearly not intended to be taken as “define censorship,” and, again, it is ironic you accuse me of having poor reading comprehension while being incapable or unwilling to give a respectable degree of charitable interpretation to others. You kind of just take what you think is the easiest to argue against reading of others and argue against that instead of what anyone actually said, is a habit I’m noticing, but I digress.

Finally, not that it’s particularly relevant, but if you want to define censorship in this context that way, you’re more than welcome to, but it is a non-standard definition that I am not really sold on the efficacy of. I certainly won’t be using it going forwards.

Anyway, I don’t think we’re gonna get a lot of ground here. I just felt the need to clarify to anyone reading that Willison isn’t a nobody and give them the objective facts regarding his veracity, because again, as I said, claiming he is just some guy in this context is willfully ignorant at best.