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Agreed. There needs to also have more granular federation options (blocking images, forcing NSFW on another instances posts, silence them in c/all, etc etc)

I think overall a good way would be to add content warnings like other fediverse software and making it so that you can set specific communities to have specific content warnings to be applied.

100% there needs to be a way to block lemmynsfw, I say this even as an admin for it!

Thank you! This is so awesome

What porn instances have defederated from each other? None that I know of have.

Thank you and absolutely! Our general ethos for LemmyNSFW is that with the implosion of reddit, it’s inevitable that some adults are going to seek out adult content so making sure its done right is quite important. For the purpose of the growth of the lemmyverse and keeping the community safe, we see it as an opportunity to not only learn from reddits biggest mistakes and make a new community that focuses consent and keeps minors out, but also actually attempts to foster a safe and controlled environment that other federated NSFW communities haven’t really been able to do so as they have almost always turned into a free for all. It’s an uphill battle with the limits of lemmy, but we are working through it and doing the best we can and building tools for ourselves. There isn’t a blueprint for this, we’re learning as volunteers as time goes on.

When it comes to defederation, we truly don’t have issues with instances that defederate with us. There’s no hard feelings, no grudge, not even any ounce of negativity. We respect and honor that choice, and with the limits that lemmy has (especially right now) we understand why instances make that choice. And for the overall benefit and safety of the lemmyverse there needs to be instances that don’t federate with us too. Especially in line with our focus on consent. Ideally, there will be native ways in lemmy to block our instance, restrict our content in all for instances, and the implementations of more detailed content warnings.

I will say that I personally use a different instance for SFW stuff, and I can say that I absolutely adore the people at aussie.zone, sopuli.xyz & feddit.de. The admins and communities at each of those instances are filled to the brim with absolute sweethearts and I have nothing but love and kindness towards them. It makes me sad when people feel there is some weird beef we have with the instances that have us defederated (especially those!), and I hope those instances know we don’t, we fully understand why they do, and we will never push them to refederate with us unless they inquire to us explicitly about thinking about doing so.

Same as above, if we were simply defederated there would have been no hard feelings, it was everything else that was an issue.

Does your instance allow nsfw content?

If you see them or anyone spamming on LemmyNSFW, please report them.

Please do!!! It would be so helpful

Absolutely. There needs to ideally be content warnings, or at the very least a distinction between NSFW and pornographic content.

Admin for lemmynsfw here, and I just wanna say that we desperately need instance blocking for lemmy. Or at least some way for instances to be able to restrict NSFW content in /all. Some people do not want to see NSFW content or simply can’t, and that’s more than fine.

It makes me sad, but it is what it is. I’m trying not to take it personally, but it does sting since I am a gay man, and an LGBT focused instance is a lovely idea in my eyes. We do not have a jailbait community, whatsoever. There are concerns about fauxbait that we are actively discussing and navigating. It did bring up a good conversation on that end at least.

I know it may seem like empty platitudes, but I want to make it clear for anyone reading this that our entire team agrees with more native ways in lemmy to block our instance as well as ways for instances to limit our content from federating into the all page. The fact that there is a lack of distinction between NSFW and pornographic content is extremely problematic as well, and ideally long term lemmy will receive content warnings like other activitypub platforms.

Porn isn’t for everyone, but people are going to seek it out regardless. A space such as lemmyNSFW needs to exist to allow the people who seek such content out to be able to do so in a safe and controlled environment that focuses consent as a key principle. And in line with having the key princple being consent, making sure people who do not want to see content from our instance are able to block such content with ease is a no brainer.

Our team has also taken a step back and looked to what critiques there are in regard to our instance, as well as preemptively engaging with other instance admins as well. The conversations being had are important, and we are actively figuring out how to best navigate them.

Also, heres a reply I made 20 days ago to the connect apps comm when a proposal was made to block instances. Where I reiterate what I said above. https://lemmy.ca/comment/857085

Admin from LemmyNSFW here, not the one that posted but an admin nonetheless.

I’m not really down with this being presented as drama as some are trying to, it’s unfortunate the way it played out but overall its their choice to defederate. We actively encourage other instances who forbid pornography to defederate from us. Lemmy.ml, sopuli, etc etc we are totally fine with, we have no malice or hate towards them because thats their choice and their reasons and concerns for doing so are more than legitimate especially with how limited lemmy is right now and the locations that they host their site at. We have open discussions with other instance admins and welcome discussions of their potential concerns, it’s just we didn’t really know what the concerns were beyond “this looks wrong because it looks wrong delete it” which made it extremely frustrating to try to figure out concisely what the problem was so we could address it.

My only issue is it being presented as if we are fine with CSAM, when we aren’t and to be accused of that is extremely serious.

I was under the assumption that was what they were asking, I could be wrong though.

So, it should be noted it will be consensual noncon with very specific strict modding communication and moderator community rules and procedures, not true “noncon.”

We won’t be allowing real non consensual content, ever. Things like kink related consensual noncon is what is being referred to here. We will be extra strict in making sure it is actually consensual noncon and is verifiably only done in a kink context. But it will only be for those who search it out, will be closely moderated and will not federate into c/all.

Consensual noncon even when verifiable as consensual is a tricky subject, as although for some it is a consensual kink, for others it can be a potential trigger due to trauma. We want to make it so people won’t accidentally stumble upon that content unless they explicitly search for it.

I hope that clarifies things. If you still don’t want anything to do us with us, I understand but hopefully that makes it clear we aren’t down with like… creepshots and stuff.

Currently, none that are safely moderated. There is one that we have defederated from, but I would caution against going there.

We will, hopefully soon. Our backend team is working right now to figure out the best way to do that.

Oh hey, I didn’t see you deleted the post my bad. Lemme just copy what I was going to say if that’s alright.

So, we allow people to talk about and tell others to go to burgitt.moe but we do so with an asterisk and when we see people post about it we really try to make an effort to warn others about what they might be getting into. We aren’t deleting the posts talking about it, because overall if people want to go that their choice and thats the nature of the fediverse.

The issue with burgitt isn’t exclusively the loli/shotacon thing. Yeah, it’s a big factor but there’s a lot more to it for both our team and many other instances. They explicitly are trying to replicate reddits openness that led to the r/jailbait scandal, and there needs to be reasonable limits on social media sites for very clear legal reasons. Lemmy is limited in more ways than reddit is (and was even then) right now, and to host NSFW content of any kind you kind of need to jerry rig shit together to make it somewhat functioning and be able to address issues. There’s limited confidence they will be able to properly report, address, and handle suspected illegal content on their servers due to their hands off management. Maybe they have procedure, I don’t know and can’t say. Another thing with that is that they explicitly ignore DMCA requests, which is also extremely legally problematic for federated content hosts.

On top of all that, their site is hosted in the Netherlands. A place currently being circled by Interpol for hosting a large portion of CSAM online. The EU is specifically building ways to crack down on websites that host any legally problematic content in the Netherlands purely due to the sheer mass right now. Beyond that, they may not be American but their refusal to follow DMCA also presents a risk of being raided by Interpol as well. There’s a legal misconception that the Netherlands is a safe offshore host for ignoring DMCAs, and that just isn’t true. They are a part of the EU, and actively cooperate with American authorities because they legally are required to. Specific companies do not fuck around when it comes to DMCA.

All of that leads to the Interpol risk, and what that means. If they seize the site, they would try to read the database and almost certainly attempt to scan thru it. And authorities seizing fediverse based websites isn’t even a new thing either, there was a Mastodon instance that was raided a few months ago with the database being analyzed by authorities and it has been up without any info of that raid serving as a honeypot collecting user information. That’s a risk you are putting yourself up to.