Dude, I never implied that people use the word communist when they mean socialist. As I said, gtfo. Which I actually can’t say, as .world mods have a hard on with their civility rule. You keep yapping and yet, yourself did not once engage with anything I said. You argued a strawman to derail. Get a hobby.
No need to be all butthurt. It’s always an option to accept not to know everything.
Interesting derailment yap. You started the crap-talk and mixed in some insults, now I’d kindly suggest you to fo.
Is Red Scare a thing or not?
Does Trump invoke an enemy stereotype or not?
What’s straight up delusional and I’d therefore highly contest, is the idea, that everyday Americans (or Western Europeans for that matter) think of “aspirational communism under a vanguard socialist state”, when their responses are impulsive and dehumanizing, and write stuff like “communist rat bastards”. Which is a kneejerk, indoctrinated reaction by their own admission. Mixed with obviously wrong concepts on what Communism or Socialism even are. Which is also the reason it’s so easy to rile up people against opposition. You just bad mouth them as communist. I really don’t give a shit, how stuff is understood in your post-soviet country, as it has no bearing in regards to the US.
And as I don’t think you really are delusional, I’m certain you’re just bad faithing. Get off my back with your fantasies.
Oh rly? Which communists put fascist dictators in charge? Please, enlighten me.
Sorry, what was the actual point you want me to address to not be as obnoxious as you, since you could address it yourself? Obviously I’m replying to a specific aspect of the user’s commentary, which was dehumanizing in nature.
You’re saying that Cuba, DPRK, China are not also recried as Commies? Wonder who’s being pedantic for whatever reason.
Also, Communism and Communists are real things, not solely academic concepts. Reducing it as such is a questionable approach. Why should we adhere to the propaganda of the US to redefine what words mean?
Do you know about the Red Scare? It‘s the systematic negative propaganda towards anything questioning the capitalist system that underpins the US-American existence. And that‘s usually Communism, as that‘s the system in direct opposition to Capitalism.
The knee jerk reaction your dad (but you also, up there) showed is a result of that. One hardly can escape that, as it‘s part of the lived reality.
However, it‘s just that, propaganda. Once you start to realize that, you can take steps to see through it. Here Trump is invoking the same boogeyman to vilify his opposition, even tho it‘s likely not even communist or socialist, but just against the capitalist oligarchy.
(Simplified) Communism is a stateless society, where the economic basis of class differences has been overcome. Socialism is one step towards that, it‘s the situation after the means of production, but also stuff like housing have been socialized.
Class difference refers to the contradiction between the exploited working class (any wage laborer, not able to live off of their wealth alone) and the exploiting owning class, the Capitalists (owning the means if production and the land)
So you‘re jumping to every cross-post to make sure everyone get‘s your anti-China, but Europe the savior narrative with a c&p comment? Cool, I can do that, too:
Oh, so now even the western outlets are doing propaganda for China? Isn‘t that odd?!
Good thing Europe will save the economy and is actively saving China! How very mean of China to leave Europe in such a bad light, instead if thanking us!
What are commie rat bastards and why are socialists preferred, while communists are dehumanized?
It’s a tanky account. I’ve learned that they aren’t worth engaging. Just a bunch of authoritarians and agitators.
You also lamented about being banned on lemmy.ml and yet, here you are.
We’re talking about the German parties Die Grünen (Greens) and SPD (Social Democratic Party of Germany), so, not sure why an American anti-communist liberal has the urge to vomit out their uninformed bullshit, only to append it with some derogatory drivel about “tankies” “insulting people” and “making stuff up”. If I wouldn’t know any better, and I don’t, I’d conclude that you are a first grade idiot.
But alas, the benefit of the doubt: Are you actually interested in learning or are you just venting? If you’re interested to learn how the German Greens are imperialist, pro genocide and anti-welfare state I might invest the time to give you a more serious answer. But right now, my impression is, that you only want your prejudices reinforced and spew some hate towards an outgroup you struggle to understand.
E: @Enkrod@feddit.org this is kinda an answer to you, although, you ain’t the one stating the confusion. A bit of a mix up, content is relevant anyway, so…
Yes, I understand your confusion. See, I find this confusing: in the earlier comment you proclaimed
I’ve never been shy about where I stand politically. I’m a green progressive social democrat
Which suggests you have an understanding of political terms or at least the reality of the politics you identify with. But that just might be partially my fault, as in your profile you’re also sharing coordinates of a political compass. From that I conclude that you did their questionnaire and went “ah, so that’s where I’m at”.
The political compass is unscientific and trash in general. It’s trying to squeeze their limited understanding of society into these neat and simple axis. I strongly suggest not to rely on this stuff, especially not to proclaim political affiliation or base voting decisions on what it says.
But that’s just regarding the test. The main issue is, that this political identity does not overlap very much with how parties, generally described as Social Democrats or Greens, act in real world politics. It’s an idealistic, moralistic approach, where one relies not on what actually happens in the real world and through that align their political identity accordingly, but based on an idea, of what these parties supposedly stand for.
That’s why I listed all these things, because these are the kind of politics SPD and Grüne are facilitating and implement in reality. They practically do far right Realpolitik. Baerbock (Grüne) said that hospitals can lose their protected status (in reference to Gaza), the Grüne supports xenophobic policies and also the largest rearmament of the German state since WWII. SPD just helped to deconstruct the 8 hour workday (which workers bloodily have fought for against the capitalist class) and facilitates the destruction of the social welfare and safety net, while also planning for war (SPD chancellor Scholz announced the Zeitenwende) and supplying Israel with weaponry and supports US wars by allowing the use of US bases on German territory. Both of these parties help implement European anti-migrant and surveillance policies. Just a few examples. This things aren’t green or social and a lot of these things are not supported by their voters, so it’s questionable to even call it democratic, solely based on the option to vote for or against their flavor of capitalist management every couple of years.
These parties act not in the interest of the people and according to their own advertised ideals, but as nuances of the capitalist class. Any concessions granted to the working class only happen through immense pressure or to pacify the upset masses. Anytime they can get away with working against the common people, they will. They protect the status quo of a society based on class, there’s nothing progressive about it.
Well. ya, also what the other people in this thread said, especially RiverRock’s longer remarks on Idealism and Materialism.
That profile isn’t available on every client, btw.
Green progressive social democrat, so you are pro imperialist, pro NATO, pro rearmament, pro Israel, aka pro genocide, apartheid and settler colonialism, pro Ukraine war, pro Iran war, pro deportation, pro refugee camps on the borders of Europe, pro surveillance, pro destruction of the welfare state, pro destruction of worker rights, all mixed with a little bit of pro renewables and pro …ya, that’s it, what else, help me out here, I don’t see any other "pro"gressive things in current green or social democrat parties.
Extremism is a matter of perspective and has no quality other than „far away from this arbitrary fix point“.
Why don’t you call all capitalists and their liberal enablers extremists for enslaving and annihilating the world and its inhabitants?
Anyway, about Death to America, check out this clip, I timestamped it.
Of course, I pulled all of that out of my ass. Just trying to give you my honest understanding of your state of mind, based on the exchanges on this post.
You basically said “I don’t wanna hear it”, after they tried to overcome your very idea, that they must have meant to kill the people of the USA. An idea so wild, that it only can be manifested through completely equating the citizens of a nation state with the nation state itself.
Being nationalist is a default state of mind in this world of nation states, it’s what states do, they nurture a national identity within their citizens. Saying you are nationalist is not necessarily an attack, but mostly a description. People tend to take it as an attack, because they have a vague idea, that identifying with their state a bit too much is a bad thing.
So you reject the idea, yet you act on it.
You can’t stand the idea of someone wishing for your nation state to vanish. Because you identify with it.
So you make up vibes-based arguments like
“this guy is an accelerationist” - judged based on what now?;
“they want to kill all citizens” - which is a thought only in your head; and
“people outside of the USA will get hurt, if it suddenly seizes to exist” - nobody said that, that’s unrealistic. But we could discuss the topic. Empires do end, people get hurt, sure. But people around the world get hurt every fucking day because of its sole existence and it’s not getting any better, so it’s a moot argument, if you don’t actually qualify your take. You don’t, tho, because it’s just a vibe. It’s not based on logic or knowledge, you just don’t like the idea.
All you do is complain based on opposition to what you feel. And from outside, you seem to not like the idea of America going down the drain … it seems like you can’t even conceptualize the idea or have a realistic understanding of what the US actually is in the world order, so it’s hard to even discuss it with you.
You don’t need to agree with me, it’s just an interpretation of my perception of your engagement. I’m also not going for a back-and-forth now. Take it or leave it.
Not trying to offend, take it as a perspective from outside.
You have a nationalist mindset and are identifying so much with it your nation state, that you‘re automatically equating it with the people living there (mostly themselves oppressed mind you) and jump straight to projection of what would happen, because it‘s exactly what your nation state has done throughout its history, your logical conclusion — war, destruction, mass murder.
Nobody said that, nobody meant that, nobody wants that, but you got triggered, because your first instinct is to be a proud American. You think that about sums it up?
Thankfully, I am not your pupil. If you’re not able to make an argument without sending people off to read into your own philosophies, you ultimately failed to make an argument.
You’re’ making a categorical error, as this thread is about an Automaton having direct, tangible real-world consequences for people’s live trajectory. It’s not about the legitimacy of the educational system itself, not about the relevance of grades. If it was, I would probably even agree with you.
Now, that your initial, ideological take has been rebuked after the very first try, you keep arguing a strawman from a privileged position of survivorship bias, with an outdated anecdote and an absolute refusal to acknowledge differential vulnerability, by reducing your pompous deliberations about systemic rot into individual failure. Effectively a cruel form of victim-blaming disguised as enlightenment. And probably one of the most US-American things to do.
But what is it now, the failure of the system or of the individual? Because your argument seems to be condemning the system as irredeemably corrupt, yet simultaneously you blame individuals for not transcending it. If the system is so rotten, how can individual failure to escape it be a moral failing? Of course you can’t escape that contradiction without exposing your very own misanthropic disgust for those that didn’t manage.
You, the irrelevant comet in my orbit, only drift further off into the void now, by distorting the problem of a 7% false-positive rate on a life-altering accusation into a one in a million (0.0001%) chance of terrible application of technology. Mixed with unfounded empirical claims about the material conditions about the labor market in the 21 century and spiteful jabs at potential live choices of the ones falling through the cracks.
Your attempts to claim authority are merely furthering your illegitimacy as a serious person. You’re dismissed. Off you go, lil’ irrelevant comet.
Calling a one-liner a thesis after trying to make an argument with long-winded, but ultimately empty autobiographical babble — like an ugly accident one cannot look away from, this just keeps pulling me in.
So, how does the anecdotal, badly written life story of a self-absorbed ego going through a midlife crisis relate to the reality of people getting their lives fucked through some automated allegation machine? Would you, maybe, condense your point into a simple sentence? So that even irrelevant comets are able to get it and to also showcase your moral blindness towards systemic dangers, just because you managed to get through, back in the good ol’ days. Dangers that, as pointed out already and contrary to you own experience, will have life changing consequences for other people. That’d be great.
And now you‘re trying to impress the empty ether with your irrelevant doodles from back when.
Just like you keep dwelling on your own trivial creations, you keep lingering in conversations you should’ve put behind you eons ago.
My humble guess is: the massive gravitational center of any orbit you’ve ever calculated has always been your ego.
Okay, so, I see that as an admission that you were just spewing bullshit and now can’t defend it.
If anything, then it’s socialist states, as Communism is per definition a state-less society, which can’t develop as long as Capitalism is still a thing. Socialism is the phase between Capitalism and Communism, when the working class has seized power and starts to socialize every aspect of production, infrastructure and housing.
I’m not going to put down a lengthy answer, but I found a good one on reddit. There you can read about actual existing socialist states, if you’re actually interested.