Gonna have to start calling stuff “peanut spread” and “hot assorted meat trimmings”

Also, we’ve been using the word milk to include plant milk since the year 1200

Hell yeah, give peas a chance!

Is there any possible evidence that would falsify the claim that he’s dead?

It sounds a lot like other conspiracy theories where people assume a fact and then evidence comes out that contradict that assumption and they come up with all sorts of explanations to avoid changing their mind and insisting that they were right all along. Even if Van Hollen returned with fingerprints and DNA, maybe he’s in on it too.

Even if they’re carrying out mass executions, it’s not hard to believe that they simply didn’t get to this guy yet. Maybe his name started to get publicity and they made sure to keep him alive. Those seem a lot more reasonable than this “body double” stuff.

I mean you can believe whatever you want but that’s verging into conspiracy theory stuff if you ask me.

He’s confirmed alive, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t killed others, or that they won’t reach that point as time goes on. The Nazis didn’t start mass executions right away, but once you were in their camps, you probably weren’t getting out alive.

It’s terrifying but it’s not entirely new, that “red line” was crossed long ago, with thunderous applause. Bush did this shit too, disappearing people off the streets with no due process and sending them off to be tortured at a CIA blacksite or Egyptian prison. And extraordinary rendition also goes back to Clinton, and then Obama explicitly reaffirmed that the US considers itself to have jurisdiction over every country on earth, that it can freely drone strike anywhere it thinks there are terrorists - and that can include US citizens as well.

These tools have existed for 20 years or more and constitute a massive violation of civil liberties both for Americans and for the entire world, they are fundamentally incompatible with a free society, and there was no telling how far they could be taken. These concerns were largely ignored and brushed aside because of 9/11 and the “Jack Bauer” fantasy of being a badass antihero who breaks all the rules to get things done, there was a virtually complete bipartisan consensus that these tools needed to exist and at no point has anyone had the opportunity to vote against any of it.

Trump is of course expanding the scale of it, which is terrifying. Maybe you’re right that he’ll be remembered as the “tipping point” into fascism, but the real tipping point was Bush, who was all the more terrifying because he was doing it while having like a 90% approval rating. Trump is just taking the mask off and doing it in a blatant, incompetent, and unpopular way, which makes him in some ways more dangerous and in some ways less.

Of course you could make the argument that it goes further back than Bush, the US has a long history of toppling democratically elected governments and disappearing people to blacksites, running experiments like MKUltra and the like. But there was a massive shift in discourse after 9/11 where caring at all about civil liberties meant you wanted the terrorists to win.

This might be corny but I remember a movie from my childhood - Disney’s The Hunchback of Notre Dame - certainly a flawed movie in many respects, but you can tell that it was very obviously made before 9/11, because otherwise it would’ve read as a call to action to rise up and overthrow the US government. The bad guy is obsessed with hunting down minorities to the point that he burns and kills innocents, doing whatever it takes to get them, his ultimate act of crossing the line is violating the right of sanctuary, breaking and entering a place of worship that he wasn’t legally allowed to, at which point the heroic captain of the guard turns to open rebellion and rallies the masses against him - it’s a direct allegory for Bush’s presidency and calls for soldiers to disobey orders and turn against the government - except for the fact that it was made before he took office. Growing up at this time, I watched those virtues become vices and those vices become virtues. A mere five years later and Judge Claude Frollo would be the based antihero doing whatever was necessary to save Paris from terrorist infiltration while Captain Pheobus would be the weak disloyal liberal traitor undermining Paris’ safety through the sin of empathy because of his whiny “rules” about whose houses you’re allowed to burn down. (Although tbf, it was attacked at release, but the people attacking it were considered the far-right fringe as opposed to the mainstream discourse).

Trump is worse only because he’s further down the line of where this shit was always headed and where I’ve been saying it was headed since I was like 13 when libertarian weirdos like Ron Paul were the closest thing we had to any kind of opposition to any of it. I’m glad people are finally waking up to the fact that the president has dictatorial powers and that that’s a bad thing, but please remember that when the next, more competent fascist gets in and does all the same shit while being more “respectable” and having better PR.

The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems countries will slip through your fingers. Every year, more and more middle income countries that were unaligned are buddying up with China and the ones that were buddying up with the US are playing the field. China is keenly attentive to this global battle over hearts and minds while Americans are too preoccupied to even notice, and don’t care when they do.

Slippery slope arguments aren’t inherently fallicious.

It’s becoming more and more clear that all these conflicting announcements are to allow Trump and his cronies to profit off insider trading. Kind of insane how blatant it is, short the market, announce tariffs, sell the short, pause the tariffs (except for China), buy tech stock, announce tech will be exempt, they gotta be making crazy bank.

The main thing is the bigotry and making marginalized people feel unwelcome and unsafe. Having trans people and Nazis existing in the same space isn’t really tenable, in practice, most marginalized people would rather be in a space where their existence and basic rights aren’t up for debate and where they won’t receive slurs and threats of violence. So the question is, who would you rather have in your community, oppressor or oppressed?

Of course, this person applies this standard blindly by including “tankies” as “right-wingers.” She’s just abusing a valid argument by using it to dismiss any perspective she doesn’t like, left or right, bigoted or accepting, bad faith or good faith, as “right-wing.”

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