I hope you spill it all over yourself everyday.

Just stop at your first sentance, no it doesn’t.

Did you just “but maybe” somebody about their own beliefs?

It has everything to do with capitalism

Well, you haven’t said anything of substance yet.

And remember, I didn’t just apply, I got in. So no, you don’t “know more about it” than I do.

More nothing and excuses.

I’m not upset in the least, maybe you should check the tone you read me in

No, you have an issue with pessimism. You seem to give up and move on for something easy as soon as you need to show effort.

You cited why you couldn’t get into a bunch of unions, but I don’t think you applied to any of them. Which means you think your assumptions are universally applicable. Mine are at least based on experience, and im encouraging people to go out there and do it. You’ve got nothing but assumptions and excuses.

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Oh sir, my apologies. You only cited the impossibility of getting into a union, the danger and abuse of the work, a complete lack of regard for anyone’s safety, rampant racism, sexism and nepotism…

…but I crossed a line when I summized all that into a hopeless outlook.

And applying is ALWAYS as easy as walking in with nothing but a firm handshake. Most of the time ive only needed half of that.

You’re the one talking about how hopeless trying to work in the trades is, which it isn’t. I had no experience, and knew no members before I applied. When I have come across unsafe conditions on a site I’ve always gotten it fixed.

You said you complained about unsafe conditions, to who? The non union contractor? Or did you talk to osha? When they cut your hours did you file for under employment? Did you do anything to actually fix the conditions for the other workers? Or did you just shrug and move on?

One of us ran into struggles, dealt with them and improved, the other cries about how it’s not even worth trying. Who’s head is in the sand?

Well I guess since you have all the answers, everyone should go home and just not fucking try. I mean, what’s the point? Cryophilia here said everything is hopeless and lost. I mean, he personally applied to all of these labor unions and was given these responses. What chance do we have?

All the more reason to go join a union

Only people who lack any skills believe in unskilled labor

There is no such thing as unskilled labor. I promise you, without training, you would fail miserably when asked to crank out big macs all day for a living. Just like you would if you were tasked for any other “unskilled labor” that you haven’t been trained to do. That means there is skill to it.

Unskilled labor is a myth created to justify paying human beings less than a living wage to line rich men’s pockets.

I’m still am apprentice, and I already make more than I ever did in my first career (20 years as a chef). Journeyman rates are over $40/ hour and once you included insurance and retirement theyre around $80/ hour. Oh and were among the lower paid locals in our state.

I walked off a jobsite because they failed to provide us with safe conditions, had the safety officer on site that day, had the local union officers follow up, contractors apologized fixed the conditions and paid me for my missed time.

If you let them joke about it, they will. If you make them follow it, they will. Safety starts and ends with you brother.

If you go union those rares are a lot higher

You do realize you have to be a member and respected by the local in order to become the leader, right? You say it like the president of a union wasn’t a jw before he got elected. Our current local executive team were all working in the field less than a year ago.

It’s really not. If there’s a long wait then you apply for the apprenticeship and while you wait ask if they have any other training programs, most of them do, or go work non union while you wait to get in. Gaining experience will help you move up the list and you’ll be starting in no time. I had absolutely 0 construction experience and waited less than a year to start in the 3rd largest city in our state.

It is exactly this. We’re trying to recruit hard too, which is working. My local can take about 50 apprentices a year. Between job fairs and school presentations we had 700 apply this year, which is awesome, but way more than we can handle at once.

There is great money to be made in the trades, and joining a union is the absolute best way to do it.

No one is trying to sway your thoughts. You haven’t arrived at them by way of logic and reason, so nothing reasonable will remove you from them.

We just want you to shut the fuck up and crawl back under your bridge.