The administration of lemmy.ml routinely abuses its rule 1 anti-bigotry policy to conduct political censorship, deleting documented facts regarding the ukraine invasion, holodomor, and xinjiang abuses under false pretexts of imperialist propaganda, misinformation, and nazism while leaving pro-Kremlin talking points untouched.

Verifiable public moderation logs prove this systemic shielding of state propaganda, down to moderators inverting standard geopolitical context, such as noting that fringe extremist units do not make an entire democratic nation fascist, to ban dissenters under the explicit excuse of being a Nazi.

https://lemmy.ml/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=25800386 and https://lemmy.world/modlog/446?page=1&actionType=All&userId=20355358.

The Europe community moderator (https://lemmy.world/u/geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml), who focuses exclusively on criticizing the West and never Russia or China, banned me as a Nazi.

I decided to block the lemmy.ml instance entirely to avoid any further interaction.

I see that there are dozens of relevant posts; you can find the relevant report posts here

Log screenshots

  • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
    4710·
    2 days ago

    I mean. You can also just go to their front page and read the “about this instance” paragraph where they clarify that they support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent.

    They explicitly built a walled garden. Don’t be surprised they maintain the walls. There are other instances.

    • Pirate2377@lemmy.zipEnglish
      21·
      11 hours ago

      I do want to thank them for vaccinating me from their ideology. Interacting with them made me realize that I’m a social democrat and not a full blown socialist

    • XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.mlEnglish
      279·
      2 days ago

      Not only that but they explicitly said years ago that they WANTED someone to go make a liberal instance for liberals to use and do their own thing. Which is what happened. Yet people continue to throw a fit that .ml maintains its policies. The entire point of lemmy is that you can choose the instance that works best for you! The entire reason many of the original people came to lemmy was that reddit banned Marxist-Leninist (what you would call “tankie”) communities. And even many just vaguely leftist spaces. So people made their own thing where no one person controls what is allowed and what isn’t. That’s what federation is all about. If you don’t like that there are instances that disagree with you on a fundamental level and ban you for your opinions then you don’t actually understand what the point of federation is to begin with. I mean ML is in the name. What did you expect?

      (edit to clarify I’m asking the OP not the commenter I am agreeing with the commenter.)

      What is lemmy.ml?

      Recently there seems to be some of misunderstanding what the lemmy.ml instance is about, especially from newer users.

      Lemmy.ml has always been a niche site, and it will most likely stay this way. We don’t have any intentions to turn it into a mainstream instance, or set a goal of getting as many users as possible. Our goal is simple: make an instance that people like to use. I would say that we have been successful in this, but obviously it is impossible to satisfy everyone.

      The reason for this is that @dessalines and I are paid to develop Lemmy, while donations from lemmy.ml users only make up a negligible part of our income. Besides, having more users would force us to spend more time moderating, and less time for development. Lemmy works quite differently from big tech sites like Reddit in this regard: while they get more money with each extra user through advertising, for us it is the opposite. So we would much rather have a smaller, non-toxic, and friendly userbase, than a large one.

      Part of the problem might be that lemmy.ml is described as “flagship instance”, which can certainly be interpreted to mean “mainstream” or “general purpose”. I struggle to come up with a better, more accurate description. If you can think of one, please comment here.

      If you dont like the way lemmy.ml works, thats okay. Federation exists exactly to solve that problem, let different groups have their own instances, with their own rules and political views. You can see the list of existing instances, and instructions for setting up a new one on join-lemmy.org.

      In particular, I would like to see someone (or a group of people) create a mainstream, or liberal instance. That should help to avoid further drama, and avoid attempts to turn lemmy.ml into something that it is not. @dessalines and I would certainly be willing to help with any technical problems that such an instance runs into, and include it on join-lemmy.org (just like any other instance that meets the code of conduct).

      • TORFdot0@lemmy.worldEnglish
        105·
        1 day ago

        The problem is that it’s the developers’ instance and they promote it as a default general use instance and not a explicit political ideological instance so it has a significant portion of people just trying to join the network.

        I would recommend someone looking to join the threadiverse to use piefed over Lemmy for that reason (of course piefed has its own problematic “features” with regards to default mute lists and transparency)

        • selokichtli@lemmy.mlEnglish
          7·
          20 hours ago

          In my experience it’s not an explicit political ideological instance. I’m there all the time and never get called anything because I think this or that, except when I’m outside of ML, where I get “tankie” a lot.

        • XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.mlEnglish
          101·
          1 day ago

          Why is it a problem? Literally every single major social media platform has an ideological slant. Twitter (X) is the nazi one, reddit is the like omega liberal vote blue no matter who one, facebook is mindless reaction, etc. If lemmy.world was considered the “default” instance I could say the same thing about it being different than my own political beliefs.

          I think the problem is that people can’t handle seeing places they aren’t welcome anymore. Marxist-Leninists are allowed to have their own spaces, and do not have to cater to other peoples views. There is ALWAYS going to be a dominant ideology and a set of rules on each instance. You don’t agree with the ones lemmy.ml has. That’s okay.

          Algorithmic social media silos people into their little boxes where they only see what they want to see. People are so used to that now that imo they’ve forgotten how to handle being faced with a place/group of people who just fundamentally disagree with them, and are not open to hearing what they have to say. Yet that is just reality. People need to learn to deal the fact those places and those people exist.

      • Devial@lemmy.worldEnglish
        910·
        1 day ago

        Supporting the heavily anti LGBTQ imperialist state of Russia is not liberal.

        Anyone who supports Russia is explicitly anti LGBTQ. You cannot be pro LGBTQ whilst supporting and defending a fascist government that treads on LGBTQ rights.

        Neither is it liberal to claim that supporting the existence of Jews, whilst explicitly denouncing the genocide state of israel is a “zionist stance”, which geneve_convenience, the mod mentioned in this post literally verbatim did, and then banned someone over.

        Super liberal, basically stating that Jews as a people, regardless of any individuals opinion, don’t deserve to exist, just because many of them are zionist. By that logic members of every major religion, as well as every single cis white male don’t deserve the right to exist as a people.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      108·
      2 days ago

      Not from Voyager iirc, which also iirc is by far the most used third party app? Also, for multiple years that what is Lemmy.ml link did not work - it pointed to a post, which I think a later version of Lemmy.ml allowed communities to be made private, and then they never bothered to check what would happen for anyone not logged into a ML account, so it would just give like a 404 not found error for everyone else.

      Agreed that it’s not impossible to find out who they are - just that ML makes an exceedingly poor representation of the Threadiverse to people coming over here from Reddit. So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out and not only never come back, they spread the word to anyone who will listen that that is what “we” here who use Lemmy are.

      Btw, in case you were not aware, we are a tankie bar (see: Paradox of Intolerance).

      Also, despite all the curation they perform within their garden, they won’t allow people to block the Lemmy.ml instance - so it’s not entirely a walled garden so much as it is a delivery system for the messages shared by Lemmy.ml users.

      • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
        8·
        1 day ago

        So when they see “death to the USA”, and they are… you know, in the USA, they often nope right out

        I say death to america all the time and I live here

          • no_name_dev_from_hell@programming.devEnglish
            3·
            9 hours ago

            I don’t live in the US and you’d bet that I’m more hostile towards your state than you, I can bet on that. If you see what your state has done from a developing country’s eyes, your mind will be broken.

            • XiJinpingStanAccount@lemmy.mlEnglish
              4·
              9 hours ago

              I think you are underestimating me, but I’m glad you are against America. I won’t say what I think because that probably wouldn’t be such a good idea for my health. But trust me we’re on the same page.

          • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
            269·
            2 days ago

            Ah, I see my instructions were not clear. You did great with the first step!

            So the second step, I now realize the link isn’t “about this instance”, but it is actually labelled “what is lemmy.ml”. You can actually see it in your screenshot, right above the rules!

            I’m very sorry for the confusion, I know it can be a complicated procedure.

            • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
              1323·
              2 days ago

              Aww, look at the underhanded insults 😂

              Here it is. Could you enlighten me with where it says that they “support a specific political ideology and will not tolerate dissent”?

              Sadly, dumb shitheads like you have no capacity to read or question anything 😢

                • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  925·
                  2 days ago

                  Learn to disagree without being rude or disrespectful.

                  It can be difficult sometimes, since western social media thrives on collective outrage, and they knowingly ingrain this into us for years. But please do adhere to this rule, and it will make this place much more enjoyable.

                  duhh, how dare these damn tankees say that western social media thrives on outrage 😤

                  • SupraMario@lemmy.worldBanned from communityEnglish
                    216·
                    2 days ago

                    Lol you’re entire instance is just trump logic, everything that you don’t like is banned and called western propaganda.

                  • Feathercrown@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    154·
                    2 days ago

                    I have literally never had any disagreement on .ml where I would not describe them as being both rude and disrespectful

              • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
                149·
                2 days ago

                Well, at least you can read subtext half the time. Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.

                Astonishing creativity, by the way. Simply incredible

                  • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
                    44·
                    2 days ago

                    You ever wonder why they specify that other instances can have their own political views and they’d like to see someone else run a liberal instance?

                    It’s because they have specific political views, and do not believe in the liberal notion of the right to self-determination and redress of grievances.

                • dreamy (she/her)@lemmy.mlEnglish
                  917·
                  2 days ago

                  Probably explains why you read for calling everyone “shithead”.

                  Yeah, you’re not beating the allegations.

                  • Talcosis@lemmy.zipEnglish
                    114·
                    2 days ago

                    I don’t really give a fuck about allegations from an .ml

                    I just don’t understand why you can’t stay in your little world. I stay out of yours, why you gotta bring your shit here?

                  • techmaster7d@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    104·
                    2 days ago

                    What are you, 5 years old? You should not be allowed on the internet. Go tell your parents to punish you.