One attendee shouted: “Play some music!” Others in the crowd were loving it. Burnley kept going, telling the audience to wait for his new update to drop before downloading the mod.

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    May I ask, have ever actually developed anything in these “20 years”, you smiley person?

    It’s so fun right? Well, until your work gets defaced, fed into a yet another random LLM, and damaged to random particles not a single person will ever know or care about, and now sold being an LLM’s output, not yours idea nor human precious life time and love you invested into it to keep it all organized, careful, and with heartfelt gratitude to the miraculous, ineffably magnificent video-game, Universe (e.g., The Elder Scrolls Online, Fallout, World of Warcraft), dear Art… you discovered someone else brought to the light… and wanted to participate in hopefully improving it, or just… loving it…

    Have you actually ever participated in a video-game mod/development oriented Communities out there?
    I have. I have been since at least 2016. I am still, at this very moment.
    Your effortless unsupervised artless awful dead sorrowful “AI” fudging sucks, and your stance on it, and of people like you - sucks, too.

    I’ve been professionally into security, military, and both embedded and desktop software and web development for more than 20 years, too, now, so I have an idea who you may be.

    Yet… You? You are not a developer, I believe. It shows. You’ve been in it for 20 years for nothing, and learned nothing. I am sorry about your current views on art, people, a human attitude for discoveries and adventures, the dear infinitely marvelous Human History we all develop… as best as we all can… There’s no “AI” that damages the history and ruins human love. Fudge your “AI”.

    Some artists, including these very developers construct, shape, leave their dear expressions, unique ideas, miraculous art… for the very future… in hope… it will support someone else, too, to learn from and pass further.
    This is for a human by human. This is art. A timeless communication.

    You may join us right now on Discord, Matrix for ESOUI, and ask your questions about your awful “AI” or dead LLMs based on stolen art, effort, history of now unknown people. The fudging white noise machine of screams and cries of now defaced artists…

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      9 days ago

      Jeez, tough read. 😛

      Anyway, I love community! I do! And maybe it could be that it’s impossible to have any kind of AI, and community, on this Earth at the same time. Could be, in which case I’d choose community.

      But while mod communities are very cool, there is a kind of threshold to them. Maybe not gatekeeping specifically, but they are niche and technical. So, again, if I could choose between a community that makes some mod that everyone loves and supports and a cold AI mod, I’d pick the community. But I’d bet 999 out of 1000 players of a game has had some thought about how the game could be different, but isn’t setup to learn how to mod it. But I don’t think that means they don’t “deserve” a tweak, perhaps.

      Anyway, I do agree with you that the way AI is being developed right now is problematic, at least in terms of concentration of power. And so these things are maybe just philosophical for now given that the ethics of building the AIs probably outweighs the ethics of the freedom it provides a videogame player.

      Sorry to have upset you! 😘

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        If you think about it, with open weight LLMs… Concentration of power is reversed if anything.

        Used to be if you didn’t know how to program and you needed a super specific tool for your own use case, you better have tons of money. Need artwork for your startup on an already tight budget? Pay up.

        Things that were accessible to people with either skills or money, are now accessible to people with a few dollars to throw at GLM or Qwen or a beefy enough machine to run a good model at home. Still not free, but much cheaper than contacting someone.

        My Claude subscription ran out and I ran GLM 5.3 flash to do a review on my gigantic PR (massive refactoring to keep up with upstream changes, not adding a ton of vibe coded “features”) and it gave me a pretty good analysis of the weak spots. It costs 1/100 of Claude Fable or 1/50 of Claude Opus to run, API pricing to API pricing. More amazed with this than anything Qwen right now. Beat Deepseek V4 Flash which I was really fond of for a while due to its price to performance ratio.

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          Welllll, I wouldn’t go fully that far either. There’s two kinds of power here, power of some monster megacorp. Probably bad. But also a startup not wanting to pay an artist for their skill and taste… I’d say isn’t the same power dynamic. If anything this is actually the part of AI I’m most worried about.

          Because I think there is value in freeing people up to pursue their interests on the one hand, but on the other hand if there’s no collaboration between people at all, and everyone does their own thing and relies on the machine to fill in the rest… that I think is actually a major risk to humanity.

          As in, if the musician uses AI to make album art for their music, and the indie filmmaker uses AI to make music for their score, and the screenwriter uses AI to make a video from their script, and a videogame programmer uses AI to write their dialog, and on and on, we end up with a lot of people “freed up” from depending on others, but we also absolutely shred any sort of community or cooperation and the whole of human expression becomes a hub-and-spoke with the AI at the centre of all things rather than a web of collaboration. And I think that’s a risk of a different kind.

          But each step, each use, one by one, feels like “well why shouldn’t I… just this once” 😉

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            There’s also the problem that some of us do try to make a living through our art because we don’t want to be alienated into office or physical work.

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              For sure, for sure, but that’s a little beside the point I’m trying to make in this comment in particular. In theory a band that used AI to make album art is making money from their art, the music, technically more because they aren’t spending that money on someone else’s art, which is the graphic art or photography.

              And the filmmaker using AI for scoring might be making money from their art, the filmmaking, but doesn’t have to pay a composer or musicians.

              The problem is that each of them individually might think this is great, their own art just got easier and cheaper to make, but in doing so at large, the entire ecosystem blows apart 😅