Understanding why people born blind never develop schizophrenia could transform how we think about and treat one of medicine’s most baffling conditions.
Does it sound like you’re hearing it from your ears?
People can project their mind’s eye image into reality. It’s most likely schizophrenic people can’t control it and would project things they didn’t know they were doing. We know it’s not there and it’s definitely in their mind but they don’t realize that they are conjuring it.
Same with internal monologe.
You have inner speech? I can talk to myself. But someone with an internal monologue they are not talking to themselves like me. Their brain is talking to them, they do not consciously pick each word.
Like you’d think you saw a black cat out of the corner of your eye and then you look and nothing is there? Or you see the black cat actually sitting there and know it’s not real?
I understand your inner voice it seems pretty much like mine.
Do you get earworms? Or is your inner voice completely voluntary?
…i don’t really get earworms unless i’m playing them deliberately…
…the hallucinations appear real and range from subtle peripheral perception to full-focused attention, but they’re unexpected and incongruous with my immediate environment, so recognising them is akin recognising a dream for what it is…
I find myself defaulting back to playing the last catchy song I heard if I choose to hum or whistle or just decide to play something in my head. I’d say it’s like leaving a cassette in the player, I can switch it out if I think about it, but if I just play “something” there will be a default tape in the player.
Hmm that’s really interesting. In a way, your mind can create images then because otherwise you wouldn’t see them. You just cannot consciously produce an image?
…no, they’re never really visual images; they’re more akin to the ideas which images represent when i parse visual stimulus, but that’s a pretty muddled distinction to distinguish in the heat of the moment, ceci n’est pas une pipe and all that…
…kind of like when you struggle to parse sounds into phonemes and then phonemes into words and then words into coherent language, but you’re never really hearing language directly…
…ideas, not words: written language is weird one (and kind of oblique to my point), but in that instance visual stimulus -> letters -> wordforms -> sounds -> words -> ideas; hallucinations skip all those earlier steps and go straight to the idea end of the perception chain but it’s not obvious that the earlier steps are missing…
(i don’t think i’ve ever hallucinated written language, though, just the ideas of hearing sounds; or of seeing creatures or objects; or of inhabiting spaces, environments, or situations; similar to how one experiences dreams)
I wouldn’t think letters, sounds, or words. I’d just get ideas that I can use my internal voice to consider if I wanted to think about it in words.
I believe I have visual dreams when I have them which isn’t often. They feel extremely real when I have them. I feel like I know the details without feeling like I made a list of details to remember, it’s like I remember from seeing it.
What kind of sound hallucinations?
Like people or yourself talking to you?
Does it sound like you’re hearing it from your ears?
People can project their mind’s eye image into reality. It’s most likely schizophrenic people can’t control it and would project things they didn’t know they were doing. We know it’s not there and it’s definitely in their mind but they don’t realize that they are conjuring it.
Same with internal monologe.
You have inner speech? I can talk to myself. But someone with an internal monologue they are not talking to themselves like me. Their brain is talking to them, they do not consciously pick each word.
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“Seldom anything visual”
Like you’d think you saw a black cat out of the corner of your eye and then you look and nothing is there? Or you see the black cat actually sitting there and know it’s not real?
I understand your inner voice it seems pretty much like mine.
Do you get earworms? Or is your inner voice completely voluntary?
…i don’t really get earworms unless i’m playing them deliberately…
…the hallucinations appear real and range from subtle peripheral perception to full-focused attention, but they’re unexpected and incongruous with my immediate environment, so recognising them is akin recognising a dream for what it is…
I find myself defaulting back to playing the last catchy song I heard if I choose to hum or whistle or just decide to play something in my head. I’d say it’s like leaving a cassette in the player, I can switch it out if I think about it, but if I just play “something” there will be a default tape in the player.
Hmm that’s really interesting. In a way, your mind can create images then because otherwise you wouldn’t see them. You just cannot consciously produce an image?
…no, they’re never really visual images; they’re more akin to the ideas which images represent when i parse visual stimulus, but that’s a pretty muddled distinction to distinguish in the heat of the moment, ceci n’est pas une pipe and all that…
…kind of like when you struggle to parse sounds into phonemes and then phonemes into words and then words into coherent language, but you’re never really hearing language directly…
Yeah you lost me
Like you get words popping up in your head when you look at a visual stimulus and you can’t tell if the word are actually written there?
…ideas, not words: written language is weird one (and kind of oblique to my point), but in that instance visual stimulus -> letters -> wordforms -> sounds -> words -> ideas; hallucinations skip all those earlier steps and go straight to the idea end of the perception chain but it’s not obvious that the earlier steps are missing…
(i don’t think i’ve ever hallucinated written language, though, just the ideas of hearing sounds; or of seeing creatures or objects; or of inhabiting spaces, environments, or situations; similar to how one experiences dreams)
When I see something visual
I wouldn’t think letters, sounds, or words. I’d just get ideas that I can use my internal voice to consider if I wanted to think about it in words.
I believe I have visual dreams when I have them which isn’t often. They feel extremely real when I have them. I feel like I know the details without feeling like I made a list of details to remember, it’s like I remember from seeing it.