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Iran’s central military command on Saturday rejected U.S. President Donald Trump’s threat to destroy the country’s vital infrastructure if it does not accept a peace deal within 48 hours.

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  • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
    85·
    11 days ago

    Uh… Okay? I could argue with a lot of what you just said, but on a more fundamental level, so what? We don’t judge Nazi Germany based on how nice it was to ethnic Germans, nor the British Empire based on how nice it was to British citizens; we judge them for their treatment of Jews and Indians. In a similar vein, I honestly don’t give a shit how nice America is within its own borders when, during the period of “morality and higher goals” you’re talking about, it perpetuated atrocities and mass murder from Argentina to Indonesia and from South Africa to Iraq. All the improvements you listed only apply in America itself, not to the hundreds of millions subjugated by the wider American Empire; if you include the latter Russia can’t even begin to compare to the scale of evil America has been perpetuating for generations. You might not notice this, but your argument boils down to “the evil empire was nice to me for a bit which made it good.”

    TL;DR: The people being brutally murdered don’t care about their murderers’ morality and aspirations.

    • Jaderick@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      11 days ago

      The people being brutally murdered don’t care about their murderers’ morality and aspirations

      This really is a meaningless statement without perspective. A Mauretanien slaver killed at the hands of their slaves doesn’t care about the morality of the murder, even if it’s justified.

      You might not notice this, but your argument boils down to “the evil empire was nice to me for a bit which made it good.”

      Considering Russia’s continued stance on LGBTQ, and to a lesser extent China’s (though I believe this is improving), I’ll take the US’s evil empire hegemonic influence over the latter in that matter.

      EU’s the best power but the weakest of the big 4 and fairly young / recent.

      No one should be justifying the imperialist actions of any hegemony, but hating on the US because it’s the hegemony on the decline, ignoring the actions of the other imperialist nations, is a weak take.

      • NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io
        64·
        11 days ago

        Considering Russia’s continued stance on LGBTQ, and to a lesser extent China’s (though I believe this is improving), I’ll take the US’s evil empire hegemonic influence over the latter in that matter.

        America killed nearly five million people and displaced forty million in the War on Terror alone but I guess that’s better than the evil homophobic Chinese. Relevant.

        ignoring the actions of the other imperialist nations, is a weak take.

        I’m not ignoring them; they just (despite also being evil as fuck) don’t come close to the sheer magnitude of atrocities inflicted by the US in recent history.