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The earth is an incredibly bountiful place. If we were to stop using up its non renewable resources we would be fine. In terms of space, the population density of earth’s habitable land is about 50 people per square kilometre. Compare that with a dense urban area where it’s over 10,000 people per square kilometre. There’s enough space.
My argument is: yes there are problems with the human race, but attempting to artificially stem population growth is not the answer to them. Providing stable lives for the majority of people globally would be the right place to start.

This is silly, because the whole reason we want to avoid the climate apocalypse is so that humanity can keep on existing. If everyone stopped breeding then we would be doing the work of the climate apocalypse for it. Which is silly.
Also, anyone dedicated enough to sacrifice their biological imperative for the environment should definitely have kids and raise them properly, otherwise there’ll be nobody left speaking sense in the next generation.
Also also, even not having kids, pets, a car, going vegan and never travelling is not enough to fix the problem. The people with the power to stop this are the very, very, very rich and the corporations pulling fossil fuels out of the earth and burning them. This is a true fact.
The fun of justifying a reference frame outside the universe. Sorry I’m getting a headache.
Yep I think you have to imagine dots suspended in space inside the balloon to better get what’s going on, and you’re right, the “edge” of the universe is definitely nothing like the surface if the balloon. Probably?
Best analogy I heard for it is if you put a load of dots on a balloon, then inflate it. Are the dots getting further away? Yes. Is there just the same amount of rubber between each dot as when you put the dots on? Yes. Can you measure the relative speed of the dots? Yes! But have they actually gone anywhere? No…ish?


Ha, I think that’s what got me banned from there as well. Good riddance.


Fuck this guy. Someone stabbed someone. Did that happen during a protest? How the fuck does anyone buy this. It’s completely bare-faced.Fuck this guy.


In that case, each Gazan life is worth about 200 US lives, and Israel has killed the equivalent of 14 million Americans (the majority of which being women, children and elderly).

Ooh, now compare it to the electoral college votes ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)


I certainly wouldn’t be surprised if any evidence of that ever comes out.


Netenyahu has wanted the US to back Israel’s war with Iran for at least 20 years. Trump is the first president sufficiently cognitively challenged to do it.
These people are opportunists, not 5D chess players.
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Nobody would, you’re right. And yet a whole lot of people do hate ICE. It’s a thinker, that one, for sure.


I think people attacking you as “pro-genocide” is exactly as reasonable as the German standard disallowing comparison of Nazism, which is funny.
The existence of a field of study which purports to compare genocide doesn’t validate your assertion that Israel is less evil than the third Reich. I still don’t think you can make this point.
The German law around speech comparing anything to Nazism sounds complex and subtle. I would argue that it’s a matter for the courts to decide, rather than for unqualified moderators to overcomply in advance.


what [Netenyahu’s Israel is] doing is still not on the same level of evil as Nazi Germany.
Very difficult to say this for sure. Some of the acts we’ve seen are on the same level, frankly. And how could you possibly measure this, objectively?
I don’t think this can be argued meaningfully, and so should be removed from your argument.
As to the German law:
Is that applicable here on Lemmy?
Is it up to the mods to interpret German law and apply it?


Am I being dense to assume that one of the six names is “Donald J Trump”? Why would he not be one of the names?


They won’t ever stop. Raping children is a symptom of being a billionaire. If you want children not to be raped, you need to ensure nobody has enough power to get away with it, because otherwise some will do it just because they can