By the way @demigodrick@lemmy.zip , could we please consider registering Lemmy.zip and Piefed.zip on this tool?

A new tool by @quokka@quokk.au to help federate communities on Piefed and Lemmy instances: https://federation.quokk.au/

A version of Lemmy-federate that fully supports Piefed and Lemmy

Kind of a side question: I had a look at https://federation.quokk.au/ and I guess my instance (Piefed.zip) is not registered yet, would it be possible to see which instances are registered? I might have missed it to be honest

Edit after discussing with Mia:

Good luck with your fork!

The “obvious reasons” come from the drama I tried to summarize in this comment: https://lemmy.ml/post/47022286/25575766

If we go down to the core of the issue, there’s a fundamental disagreement between some instances on a niche use case: can the modlog be used for permanent slander, without giving people the option to reply?

Dbzer0, quokk.au and anarchist.nexus instance admins didn’t see the value in allowing admins to act on other instances modlogs. Rimu and other people in the Piefed staff were interested in this, hence the new feature regarding the modlog.

There was some additional tension between Quokk.au admins and Rimu on the way he handled the AI moderation disclosure, leading to a quokk.au admin leaving the channel.

Now remember that all of this only affects Piefed.social. I’ve been a Piefed.zip user for 11 months now, and that’s the instance I recommend to everyone. Even from a federation perspective, Piefed.zip doesn’t defederate from for instance hexbear or lemmygrad (but the Piefed instance blocking is an actual blocking compared to Lemmy’s incomplete one).

Switching between Piefed instances is as easy as it can be.

Some people will see these decisions for Piefed.social and the new Piefed feature as “drama”, but they seem to be a way to deal with what triggered the drama in the first place (slander in modlogs)

Exciting!

It would be nice if crossposting allowed people from both instance to see and answer in the same message.

Piefed does this.

Thank you!

https://fedinsfw.app/ is there for you

So at the end of the day, you seem to be calling someone a “bit of a twat” based on policy decisions. Someone who’s donated loads of his personal time, effort and brainwaves to a community project for loads of others to enjoy. Can’t say that sounds particularly cool to me, mate.

Good summary

There’s this comment from 1 hour ago: https://piefed.social/post/2035211#comment_11215538

In this specific case, even the dbzer0 admin agreed it was undeserved:

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/modlog?userId=7015938

Which other removals from Piefed.social are you referring to?

Is that supposed to make it better?

Rimu is not a Zionist. It’s this wrong accusation that escalated the tensions. I’ll clarify my comment.

Those removal happened in the context of a mod calling Rimu a zionist (which he’s not)

It didn’t happen out of nowhere.

Others are doing the same thing. This isn’t “weird” or bad judgment. I don’t like Kaplan but they did nothing wrong here.

What I’m saying is that even though admins know there were some opinions in the software, they still started Piefed instances. And that’s in a world where Lemmy exists.

In other words, every instance admins assesses whether the additional Piefed features make it worth it to accept the opinionated aspect of the software.

That’s the main value of Piefed here, and that’s why so many people prefer it compared to Lemmy. All the features people wanted, be it users, mods, admins, Rimu delivered them, and fast.

They’re still doing the bad thing.

Doing something, even imperfectly, but listening to the users, still seem valuable to a lot of people. Some people obviously dislike it a lot, and expect the software to be written be a perfect person, but the devs behind Lemmy, Piefed and Mbin all have their flaws.

Comparing a single open source developer to one of the biggest tech corporations worldwide doesn’t really seem relevant.

Adds in things the higher ups felt was needed.

Who are the higher ups in this case? There’s no Piefed board of management or investors to answer to.

All of that being said, I’m looking forward the day Pievolution can be run easily, then every instance can make their own choices, and these endless debates will end.

The code is open source, nobody bothers to read it. If that’s supposed to be obfuscation, then that’s not really effective.

I guess the month long conversation I had with Kaplan, head admin of Lemmy.world, about unfucking Piefed because Rimu filled it with his opinionated garbage didn’t happen.

So Kaplan knew about the “garbage”, but still wanted to go on and keep running Piefed.world?

Either Kaplan’s judgement is supposed to be relied on, or not, but that argument seems weird to say the least.

which can be opted, granted, but after a HEATED discussion in the piefed matrix

So it is opted. That people have to convince Rimu to make changes isn’t really an argument. People have to also convince the Lemmy devs to make changes on a regular basis, with less success.

Piefed is infected with Rimu’s extreme opinionated garbage and he only backs down and puts them into a toggle after someone notices it.

I personally prefer Rimu taking feedback into account and then making changes than Lemmy devs bluntly closing feature requests widely upvoted by the community because “reasons”

Let’s be honest here, it’s not like there are so many options we can choose from.

Also, the example you gave about shows more than anything else that Rimu did change his mind.

“All the settings in this screenshot are off by default”