Looks like some have to the come conclusion that the problem in “1984” was the dangerous lack of surveillance. This is a left-wing (Labour) government, btw.
Stuff like this is why I no longer want regulations to protect us from big tech. Thank you very much.
This is literally impossible even with ai and a dangerous bill for big tech. While for smaller Fediverse Communities it’s much much easier to moderate that type of content since
a. we don’t have to rely on a corporation to provide the tools we need.
b. you would only be responsible (I think) for content on your own local feeds. However if you are responsible for federated content appealing as well, might want to federate with servers with some type of user verification (not id verification) but like verifying your use purpose of a server they are joining. and defederate from other servers that are not moderating their local feeds.This is a left-wing
Oh?
(Labour) government, btw.
Oh.
Neoliberal is not “left wing“.
Stuff like this is why I no longer want regulations to protect us from big tech. Thank you very much.
Don’t throw the baby out with the bath-water.
Labour government not punching themselves in the dick challenge (impossible)
Oh god you useless fucks. You realize a non nude image is easily made nude with AI now right? The end result is the same, whether its real or not.
In addition, there are more ways to share these than just using computers. You can’t possibly police it all.
Calling Starmer’s Government left-wing is ironic considering by most accounts he’s proven himself to be slightly progressive Tory in a red tie
Adults will still be able to take, share or view nude content through an age verification process.
OR “Harvesting Users data/IDs via social media isn’t working because people just simply stopped using social media…but people can’t stop looking at porn! that’s where we’ll get em!”
fuck off.
Conservative logic be like: “It’s personal responsibility. If you don’t want to get an abortion, just don’t have sex!”
Also Conservatives: “We can’t have anyone look at porn! So we must make it as difficult as possible for people to view porn.”
Bet it’ll still bar a significant amount of youthful looking, small breasted, hair-free folk up to the age of 40… If they also implement an AI scan
Bet said AI model that would clearly be trained on images of CSAM will be hacked to generate worse images than Grok
Excuse me, my product is up here… ;/
They’re just evolving. Its all the same thing - a foot in the door. Using children and even teenagers as bait is the real tragedy here, such minorities are only getting harmed with this victim blaming bullshit.
Yeah, since it’s the UK, I have a hunch that will include scanning your ID and uploading it to 5 different “international parners” aka American companies. To be tied to all online activity… Why not simply mandate parental controls be implemented in all phones and tablets, and we can do it without all the privacy invasion?
The privacy invasion has been the whole point from the start. PrOtEcTinG thE ChiLdRen is just the pretext.
Hmmh, sure. That’s usually 300% of what this is about. Though they have some “genuine” attempts at filtering the internet over in the UK. From what I gather, ISPs are supposed to filter pornography, copyright violations,
gambling, weapons and violence and all sorts of stuff(Edit:??) per default. So there seems to be some wish for a “family safe” internet mixed in with the usual exploiting children to manifest some surveillance dystopia… Which definitely is the major reason why this is pushed all around the globe.There’s really not much filtering here. A couple of torrent sites is pretty much everything. Sure, porn got stuck behind an age check but that’s about it. There’s no restriction on gambling, weapons etc.
Huh. And how do these age checks work? Is that something you’d call your internet service provider to remove for you? Or is it just the average “Are you over 18? Y/N” popup?
But doesn’t sound too different from what we got. My ISP here in Germany has some secret list of forbidden piracy sites. So I switched to a different DNS server and I’m all good. Is that what they do in the UK as well? Sorry I’m lacking a bit in first hand experience. Haven’t been there in a while. An when on vacation, I rarely try to watch porn or read about automatic rifles 😅
It wouldn’t surprise me if the list was the same tbh.
As for porn, they want you to do the age verification thing on the providers site. Probably involving some third party checking what your face looks like, or something. Most people I know just use a VPN to a more civilised nation.
The children and also teenagers/young people are just a tool to them. Their freedom is dispensable, and they want everyone to think that.
Most of them actually want kids to do that too, and worse. If that weren’t true the island wouldn’t have been a thing.
Five 👀
Your responsibility as a parent is to make a best effort to protect your children. Giving them a phone with a camera, microphone, and unrestricted access to the whole damn internet is like handing them a loaded gun. Stop IDing everyone and fine or lock up neglectful parents.
If this was actually about protecting children then they could simply ensure phones had an ability for parents to enable a firmware lock which added these protections to their child’s device. No need for people to provide age verification credentials to the government. Of course, it’s not really about kids it’s about normalizing explicit tracking of adults’ internet use.
There’s already plenty of tools out there. Parents don’t use them, but that doesn’t stop them from whining about the problem. You can lead an idiot to water, and all that.
Yeah, I mean they do have to be able to communicate with their friends, listen to audiobooks… Do their homework assignments, look up the bus schedule or text/call mom to pick them up, read/watch stuff if they like… Learn about the world. So there needs to be some sane way to do these things.
But it’s not like anyone needs to send in their ID to Google to accomplish that.
Schoolwork aside, none of those things are critical. I haven’t used Facebook since like 2009 and I turned into a successful, relatively well adjusted adult. I suppose there was even a good bit of porn thrown in there from time to time.
Idk. That’s a bit of a treacherous point in itself. I mean first of all life isn’t supposed to be just the bare essentials. But than that argument gets abused a lot, the usual stuff being “a bit of beating didn’t harm me”… but it probably did. At least I’ve rarely seen it been used in a good context. I’d say it depends. Some things used to be better, or simpler back in the days. Some weren’t. I think a lot of things (in society) improved in the 20 years or so since I’ve finished growing up. I don’t think the internet did. All the social media stuff got way worse. But it’s complicated. I don’t see any reason to be on 4chan at 13yo. But at the same time we also don’t want some “clean” dystopian society like in the dark sci-fi movies. Sexuality is part of life. And so is making mistakes, experiences…
While I’m 100% on your side here and I make a point to champion the actual values of these anxiety riddled glass boxes, I do want to point out that we can do all that without them. My kid didn’t get modern electronics until he was competent with paper books, dictionary, and offline only tech.
That said, the added stance here is that we can have both. My kid’s phone is locked down to the point that he can’t even message contacts that I didn’t approve. It’s all operated in house from his phone, my phone, and the shit box excuse for a server I run. I have a curated plan for how he’ll earn his way up to full access and planned strategies for teaching him the safety and independence he needs. I know exactly fuck all about tech, can’t remember any commands for Linux, struggled to understand Docker, but still managed to make it happen. If I can pull it off, the only thing stopping literally anyone else is the choice not to do it.
Hmmh. Is there good Free Software to do these things with a Linux server at home?
Right now I’m using a combination of Home Assistant on the server, GrapheneOS on the phones, a pihole set up as a DNS whitelist, and an app that escapes me from F-droid that locks other apps bases on screen time. Took me maybe 10min to find everything and 2 months to set up but that was mostly due to my sheer incompetence when it comes to anything that isn’t physical. Along the way I even got a jellyfin server going age appropriate music and video sectioned off for him. When he’s responsible enough for it I’ll be teaching him how to pirate his own content.
Awesome!
My first computer of my own was a wiped surplus machine my father brought home from work, with a pack of Redhat floppies and an 800 page user manual in a binder. I was allowed to do whatever I wanted on it as long as I could figure it out myself.
So like, now I have a PhD in engineering. Weird how that works.
I remember watching a video of a North Korean phone, which from memory took a screenshot every 15 seconds or so. Now I read about age verification with nuditity scanning on the OS level being serisously discussed in a supposed free country
A company like Microsoft would love this, the impetus might even be equally coming from that direction, for nudity scanning read just scanning. Their concern and limiting factor is the rich availability of alternative OS and the great unwashed just needing a reason to switch, this is not 95. If you are really worried about children you address the problem via parental obligation not forcing every adult to get into the habit of yielding personal identification to any service that asks. But everyone knows that, everyone knows what the plan is, most people view it with apathy because it is expected the powers that be will meet totalitarianism with the same degree of incompetence that they meet everything else with.
Yeah we need to stop blaming individuals and political parties and start blaming ourselves for our complete inability to hold our own governments accountable. This is not democracy, and the more we convince ourselves this is “normal” for democratic governments to be this corrupted and/or incompetent (if you want to be generous) that they ignore the wishes of the actual human beings who they represent in favor of the corporations and state apparatus and “the economy”, the worse things are going to get. Governments of any color and stripe acting like this is NOT normal, it is NOT democracy, and it is NOT acceptable, and democracy requires us to hold them accountable. People need to get ANGRY and protest while we still are able to, not be apathetic and accepting and normalize it. You did not vote for this. Do not let them get away with it.
So, they don’t have a plan. Their “plan” is threatening the companies to implement their ideas, or else!
We cannot possibly let children know what a human body is or looks like !
This is already partially true. With the crippling ability to properly teach sex-ed & biology - because “reasons”; we have children and also teens/adults who know barely anything about sexual anatomy.
It’s their master plan: if kids don’t learn about bodies and sex, they’ll have unwanted pregnancies soon. Ooops: we also banned abortions! Wow, amazing. Now there’s going to be a wave of new kids that can work for our companies and make us earn more money!!
The UK ain’t far behind the US now is it?
Wdym? UK started all of this. They’ve had age verification working since summer 2025, then EU joined and got it implemented in autumn for many sites like X for example where any NSFW content requires age verification (for more than half a year now), and US only started coming up with similar stupid laws almost a year afterwards.
First? What about Afghanistan or Iran?
